More Anti-Bike Crap from MP's
More Anti-Bike Crap from MP's
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scotia_steve74

Original Poster:

653 posts

257 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Just listening to Radio One News, supposedly MP's think 40% of Motorcyclists don't pay road tax!!!!

What a load of crap. Is this some more anti-bike lobbying going on to introduce some higher tax or new restrictions??

Beggars belief!

Chilli

17,320 posts

266 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Yeah, I heard this. Have they thought about all those bikes that are not on the road...Tracks and dirt bikes. Na, doubt it. Lets start a hate campaign. What's his name and where does he live?

catso

16,529 posts

297 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Yes it grated on me when they lowered the road tax for smaller cars, yet raised the tax on larger bikes.

I pay more tax for my bike than some cars with larger engines, assuming the car is only carrying 1 or 2 people which is more efficient and creates less congestion?

Thievin' feckwits.....

Rawwr

22,722 posts

264 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Bikers have sex with corpses, too.

Wyvern971

1,507 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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I sent;




I am sending this after reading an article on the BBC site.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7200066.stm

A couple of points I'd like clarifying, though I realise you didn't
actually write the article.

I have numbered these and would like the questions answered, and not
answered selectively. I have also included quotes of comments made by
you from the article. (Quotes are indicated)

Quote:
Motorcyclists are particularly liable to evade road tax. Nearly 40% of
motorcycles are now unlicensed.

1) 40% seems high, how was this figure reached?
2) Does the 40% take into consideration;
i) Track bikes that are never used on the road
ii) Bikes in the process of being restored
3) Is the figure of 4 in 10 just the percentage of SORN bikes?
(If it is I think that's the most ridiculous suggestion that any person
declaring a bike SORN is a liar)


Quote
They must also "strongly consider more severe measures such as
impounding unlicensed motorcycles", he said, adding: "Large parts of the
biking community are cocking a snook at the law."

I don't have a problem with any unlicensed vehicle being impounded if it
is on use on the roads when it is falsely declared SORN.

I do however resent the implication that, "Large parts of the biking
community are cocking a snook at the law."

Most of the bikers I know or have met have no problem with the law, ride
sensibly and courteously, there are of course the odd few that have
little or no regard for the law, but they are a minority and not a,
"Large part" as you suggest.

Although it is not a quote of you,

The report found that motorists who refused to tax a vehicle and
register as its keeper were often trying to avoid congestion charges and
conceal criminal activity.

4) I'd like to know where congestion charging applies to motorbikes
(As far as I was aware it did not currently apply to motorbikes)
5) Is this a suggestion that it is to be brought into effect?
6) What exactly are you implying by, "Criminal activity"?

I am offended that as a motorcyclist you are suggesting I am a criminal.
(As I am sure you would equally be offended if I were to suggest that a
large portion of politicians self serving liars.)

I await your response.

Kind Regards

George Sutton.


And got the response;

Thank you for your email to leighe@parliament.uk. Please read the
following instructions to ensure your email is dealt with correctly.

Only CONSTITUENTS who give a full postal address will be replied to. If
you have not enclosed your full postal address in your email, please
resend it with this information.

For matters relating to the PUBLIC ACCOUNTS' COMMITTEE and/or the
NATIONAL AUDIT OFFICE, please resend your email to:
pubaccom@parliament.uk

Thank you for your cooperation.

Edward Leigh MP


Guess I'll have to re-send it elsewhere as I don't live in Gainsborough

It would be nice for them to have to respond to quotes made to press regardless of whether you are a constituent of their area o not.

scotia_steve74

Original Poster:

653 posts

257 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Can we start a petition on the government website against all this intimidation?

Chilli

17,320 posts

266 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Nice wording that George...I like it.

Phone_Monkey

1,969 posts

239 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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George are you that quiet at work then? nice email though. now get on Honda's case about yer light.

Complete bollox though, read it in the times this morning too. TBH I don't know any bikers that haven't got tax on their road bikes.

Zead

377 posts

237 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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I think it's precursor BS to trying to bring in the ledgislation to register and tax all bikes, ie racing, trail, trial etc. I heard this muted before and it included cars, but it was deemed unworkable and highly damaging to the motorsport industry, so got kicked out by MPs who like there cars as well as bikes

Wyvern971

1,507 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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It is now on Reuters as well.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/motoringNews/idUKNOA...

Have also forwarded my previous response to the BBC.

scotia_steve74

Original Poster:

653 posts

257 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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"New automatic number plate recognition cameras, capable of detecting motorcycle number plates, are being used in targeted enforcement operations at motorcycle events," a spokesman said

"And, from September, new legislation will allow the police, DVLA and local authorities to take action against unlicensed vehicles even if they are not parked on public roads."

From the BBC site


Now, wasn't that legislation sent packing?

40% does include off-road vehicles then the government or DVLA have no rights to tax?

Wyvern971

1,507 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Well I got a further reply, however he doesn't actually answer the questions and the reply is by proxy.

Isn't this a surprise from a politician......



Dear Mr Sutton

Thank you for writing to the Chairman of the Committee of Public
Accounts, Edward Leigh, he has asked me to reply on his behalf. You ask
how the Committee arrived at the 40% figure. The figure is derived from
a roadside survey of over one million vehicles conducted by the
Department. Full details of the survey are available on the
Department's website.

With regard to the reported comments about the congestion charge, and
also criminality. The Committee notes:

"Evasion of congestion charges is a factor in the increased level of VED
evasion. Vehicle keepers may try to avoid congestion charges by using
false or cloned plates so that they cannot be traced from the DVLA's
records and hence can not be sent the congestion charge penalty. Many of
those vehicles will also show as unlicensed if seen as part of the
annual roadside survey. VED enforcement against this group is causing
significant and increasing problems for the DVLA. The police experience
comparable difficulties when they try to track vehicles wanted in
relation to other crimes."

The Committee has no view on the congestion charge itself.

I hope you find this helpful.

Yours sincerely

Phil Jones
Committee Assistant, PAC

scotia_steve74

Original Poster:

653 posts

257 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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Good to get a response, must have ruffled some feathers!

But a typical political resposnse, avoiding the main questions!

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

278 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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Haven't you seen the hidden agenda here?

Front number plates on bikes.

JackHolroyde

490 posts

228 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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Im sure front number plates on bikes were ruled illegal by the EC?

Rawwr

22,722 posts

264 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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mrmaggit said:
Front number plates on bikes.
I'd like to know where smile

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

278 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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Rawwr said:
mrmaggit said:
Front number plates on bikes.
I'd like to know where smile
Me too, but since when did little practicalities stop these morons?

Rawwr

22,722 posts

264 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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I'm sure I could get a 4" x 2" plate behind my black screen.