BiB numbers falling, but more PCSOs being hired

[streaky]

Home Office figures due out on Thursday will show that forces have cut recruitment and that the number of 'proppa coppas' is falling.

All this because funding has been cut and fallen in real terms ... and because the average cost of a crime investigation is now around £10,000.

Meanwhile, money for PCSOs (including for a pay rise!) is ring-fenced and forces are recruiting more of them to replace real police officers.

But don't worry, some 'bright' spark will decide that they need more powers (with less training) so that they can substitute for experienced BiB in more situations.

Bah!

Streaky

[paoloh]

If Labour get stay in at next election, I'm moving overseas. (Don't all vote Labour just because of this)

[xxplod]

Yep. Forces are in for some very lean times in the next few years. I know mine is.

[Yung Man]

Look on the bright side, they have had above inflation pay rises for the last 12 years(11 years under Labour), I should be so lucky.

[NobleGuy]

streaky said:

Meanwhile, money for PCSOs (including for a pay rise!) is ring-fenced and forces are recruiting more of them to replace real police officers.

Yeah. Even more jobsworths watching little boys drowning and saying "Well, it's not in my job description to save him.....".

[herewego]

When I asked the police to attend the local school during drop off and pick times, they sent along a couple of PCSOs who did a first class job of stopping the daily idiotic driving and parking behaviour. On those days we could actually walk along the pavement to school.

[esselte]

herewego said:

When I asked the police to attend the local school during drop off and pick times, they sent along a couple of PCSOs who did a first class job of stopping the daily idiotic driving and parking behaviour. On those days we could actually walk along the pavement to school.

Maybe you can phone the PCSOs the next time your business or house is being brokn into.......'cos with the way things are heading you won't be able to get Plod....

[herewego]

esselte said:

herewego said:

When I asked the police to attend the local school during drop off and pick times, they sent along a couple of PCSOs who did a first class job of stopping the daily idiotic driving and parking behaviour. On those days we could actually walk along the pavement to school.

Maybe you can phone the PCSOs the next time your business or house is being brokn into.......'cos with the way things are heading you won't be able to get Plod....

They came very quickly last time.

[splitter / judas]

When/if the recession comes then it'll get interesting

[streaky]

herewego said:

esselte said:

herewego said:

When I asked the police to attend the local school during drop off and pick times, they sent along a couple of PCSOs who did a first class job of stopping the daily idiotic driving and parking behaviour. On those days we could actually walk along the pavement to school.

Maybe you can phone the PCSOs the next time your business or house is being brokn into.......'cos with the way things are heading you won't be able to get Plod....

They came very quickly last time.

Which enables a tart to make more money - Streaky

[GreenV8S]

It is disgraceful, and I can see this leading eventually to law enforcement as a private franchise with a token political organisation at the top.

[Prof Beard]

paoloh said:

If Labour get stay in at next election, I'm moving overseas. (Don't all vote Labour just because of this)

You blew that! It'll be in their manifesto next week

[Yung Man]

So under Labour they get above average pay rises for 12 out of a possible 13 years and are still not happy, lifes tough some times, get over it.
If they have had 35% over 12 years they must be about 10% in front so why moan about a .6% below inflation claim now it only amounts to about £200.
10% equates to about £3300.

[Plotloss]

Can I ask those that know.

The base salary of a copper and that of a PCSO arent all that different.

So is the training a PCSO recieves a tiny proportion of the cost of a proper copper's training?

I'm guessing this is a financially led decision in the main.

[G51CAV]

Yung Man said:

So under Labour they get above average pay rises for 12 out of a possible 13 years and are still not happy, lifes tough some times, get over it.
If they have had 35% over 12 years they must be about 10% in front so why moan about a .6% below inflation claim now it only amounts to about £200.
10% equates to about £3300.

Are you sure you're posting on the right thread???

As far as I can see this one is about concerns of rising numbers in PCSO's and falling numbers of police officers and not a debate over pay!

[Chrispy Porker]

Yung Man said:

So under Labour they get above average pay rises for 12 out of a possible 13 years and are still not happy, lifes tough some times, get over it.
If they have had 35% over 12 years they must be about 10% in front so why moan about a .6% below inflation claim now it only amounts to about £200.
10% equates to about £3300.

Your basic premise is wrong.
The Police receive ( or did) the AVERAGE of non manual workers settlements.
These are calculated each year ending ( I think) July, and implemented in September.
This year the Govt prevaricated and it went to independant arbitration which gave a figure of 2.5%, Which should have been implemented in September.
As you will appreciate this is less than inflation.
In fact most years it usually is if I remember rightly.

[esselte]

herewego said:

esselte said:

herewego said:

When I asked the police to attend the local school during drop off and pick times, they sent along a couple of PCSOs who did a first class job of stopping the daily idiotic driving and parking behaviour. On those days we could actually walk along the pavement to school.

Maybe you can phone the PCSOs the next time your business or house is being brokn into.......'cos with the way things are heading you won't be able to get Plod....

They came very quickly last time.

and did they make any arrests....?

[odyssey2200]

esselte said:

herewego said:

esselte said:

herewego said:

When I asked the police to attend the local school during drop off and pick times, they sent along a couple of PCSOs who did a first class job of stopping the daily idiotic driving and parking behaviour. On those days we could actually walk along the pavement to school.

Maybe you can phone the PCSOs the next time your business or house is being brokn into.......'cos with the way things are heading you won't be able to get Plod....

They came very quickly last time.

and did they make any arrests....?

Are they empowered to make arrests?

[esselte]

odyssey2200 said:

esselte said:

herewego said:

esselte said:

herewego said:

When I asked the police to attend the local school during drop off and pick times, they sent along a couple of PCSOs who did a first class job of stopping the daily idiotic driving and parking behaviour. On those days we could actually walk along the pavement to school.

Maybe you can phone the PCSOs the next time your business or house is being brokn into.......'cos with the way things are heading you won't be able to get Plod....

They came very quickly last time.

and did they make any arrests....?

Are they empowered to make arrests?

[Yung Man]

Chrispy Porker said:

Yung Man said:

So under Labour they get above average pay rises for 12 out of a possible 13 years and are still not happy, lifes tough some times, get over it.
If they have had 35% over 12 years they must be about 10% in front so why moan about a .6% below inflation claim now it only amounts to about £200.
10% equates to about £3300.

Your basic premise is wrong.
The Police receive ( or did) the AVERAGE of non manual workers settlements.
These are calculated each year ending ( I think) July, and implemented in September.
This year the Govt prevaricated and it went to independant arbitration which gave a figure of 2.5%, Which should have been implemented in September.
As you will appreciate this is less than inflation.
In fact most years it usually is if I remember rightly.

According to this news item they did alright.

"This is the context for yesterday's extraordinary demonstration. Public sympathy for the police has been muted because over the past 12 years in part because police pay has risen at twice the rate of inflation - and by more than the average of either public or private sectors"

It's a quote from this article.

http://www.reform.co.uk/website/pressroom/articles...