Diff dilemma
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puckrup

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473 posts

229 months

Monday 28th January 2008
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I have read many threads about what final differential ratios to go for on my Sagaris. The car at the moment is standard with standard gearbox and 3.46:1 diff. Having just changed from RR 4.0L Tuscan the car does not feel as quick although it is far less nervous and twitchy…

So, question is do I go for the 3.73 or 3.91 diff option (keeping standard gearbox meantime)

The cost to upgrade to 3.73 is £1400 inc VAT, add an extra £176 inc VAT for 3.91 option. This includes all labour, carriage and diff oil and sundries.

This is not an out and out track car, maybe visit a couple of circuits per year at the very most. More used for fast roads, some touring etc so I am erring towards the 3.73 option.

Would the 3.91 not cause greater wear and tear on clutch and tyres etc? Any advice appreciated before I take the plunge!

Neil

Fly Boy

1,282 posts

270 months

Monday 28th January 2008
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Neil
YHM

Chris

rpa.janwell

1,653 posts

266 months

Monday 28th January 2008
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Fly Boy said:
Neil
YHM

Chris
Intrigued - can you copy me Chris?

Fly Boy

1,282 posts

270 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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rpa.janwell said:
Fly Boy said:
Neil
YHM

Chris
Intrigued - can you copy me Chris?
Nothing to get too excited about Richard.
Just offered Neil a comparison ride. Std box & 3.7 diff.
Will be up Newcastle on Saturday.
Close ratio innards going in week after next.
I'll forward the PM on.
Chris

Maxx-Waxx

927 posts

272 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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I found that being driven as a passenger in any car, especially a Sag will always feel quicker than when being driven by yourself, Daftlad kindly let me have a straight line drag in his Sag with CR box and 3.9 diff. This sold me a i now have the same fitted, cost about 2600 with Topcats racing who did a great job and included a full geometry set up.
Its definitely worth doing IMO

N

Fly Boy

1,282 posts

270 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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Maxx-Waxx said:
Daftlad kindly let me have a straight line drag in his Sag with CR box and 3.9 diff. This sold me a i now have the same fitted, cost about
N
John's got a lot to answer for hehe
He did the same favour for me at Croft...

rpa.janwell

1,653 posts

266 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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Fly Boy said:
Maxx-Waxx said:
Daftlad kindly let me have a straight line drag in his Sag with CR box and 3.9 diff. This sold me a i now have the same fitted, cost about
N
John's got a lot to answer for hehe
He did the same favour for me at Croft...
It's his fault I ended up in a Sag too - drove his onto my front lawn, let me sit in it.
Always wondered what his commission was from TVR..........hehehehehehe

puckrup

Original Poster:

473 posts

229 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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Done and dusted, car booked into Hexham for a 3.73 diff to be fitted next Saturday. Decided against going the full hog and getting 3.91 and CR box for now after expert counselling from rpa.janwell and in consideration to the environment ......... not!

3.73 will suit my needs better and the roads I drive and will be a big improvement on the standard diff. I agree that the car is so well sorted that it doesn't feel as quick when you are driving it yourself, jump into the passenger seat and all that changes in the blur of an eye.....

Tks for all advice extended - Neil......question now is can I change the Diff Oil myself after 1000 miles run in wink

willyworm

433 posts

268 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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I was thinking about a CR box and 3:91 diff for road use, is it worth it for the road?
Who's doing yours Chris and how much? I've had good experience with Topcats in the past, but they a long way away.

beer

tail slide

2,169 posts

276 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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willyworm said:
I was thinking about a CR box and 3:91 diff for road use, is it worth it for the road?
Who's doing yours Chris and how much? I've had good experience with Topcats in the past, but they a long way away.

beer
Aiming to pick mine up next week with CR box and 3.91 diff, for many long-distance road miles plus track use.

I think main consideration is revs in 5th go from 3,000 to 3,750 (will be same as my old ImprezaT) so less relaxed but still ok on Mway I decided, with extra acceleration through the gears than with a 3.7.

You should overtake promptly, after all biggrin

willyworm

433 posts

268 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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tail slide said:
willyworm said:
I was thinking about a CR box and 3:91 diff for road use, is it worth it for the road?
Who's doing yours Chris and how much? I've had good experience with Topcats in the past, but they a long way away.

beer
Aiming to pick mine up next week with CR box and 3.91 diff, for many long-distance road miles plus track use.

I think main consideration is revs in 5th go from 3,000 to 3,750 (will be same as my old ImprezaT) so less relaxed but still ok on Mway I decided, with extra acceleration through the gears than with a 3.7.

You should overtake promptly, after all biggrin
Yes sounds good but how much ££££££££££££££££?

beer

Fly Boy

1,282 posts

270 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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willyworm said:
I was thinking about a CR box and 3:91 diff for road use, is it worth it for the road?
Who's doing yours Chris and how much? I've had good experience with Topcats in the past, but they a long way away.

beer
TrackvRoad are stripping & re-building the box for me, while on jollies.
I ummed & aarrghhedd (alot) about whether to change the diff)
After going in Simmo's Sag round Croft that decided it.
After all who uses the top end????
i think I've been close once.....

You're welcome to come & feel he difference John anytime.
Have a look at this courtesy of "varleyhyd"
It's preloaded with the standard & close ratio gears & diffs. The default rpm is something like 7600.
Just compare the rpm figure for say 2nd & 3rd to see what you've got.

Hope that helps
Chris

tail slide

2,169 posts

276 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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£ = good performance value, but not cheap....


- gearbox about £1k

- much better Raceproved clutch & slave cylinder £600

- replacement 3.9 crown wheel & pinion set for diff £590

+labour - can't help with that as mine is mixed in with various other mods. smile

willyworm

433 posts

268 months

Thursday 31st January 2008
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Thanks, I am very tempted. Chris it would be good to do a drag run or something along side my standad Tam to see the difference. Anybody know of anywhere it can be done safely. ie not on public roads.

John

beer