18 year old + M5 and 5 friends =
Discussion
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid294382118?bctid=1392485027 (vid)
http://www.ocala.com/article/20080127/BREAKING_NEW...
all 5 kids dead after testing out the car on a private runway at night.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111454
Link to Josh asking how he can change from 4th to 5th smoother, very morbid reading his posts and then the posts of others when they realize hes killed himself after advising him how to do it.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20080127/BREAKING_NEW...
all 5 kids dead after testing out the car on a private runway at night.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111454
Link to Josh asking how he can change from 4th to 5th smoother, very morbid reading his posts and then the posts of others when they realize hes killed himself after advising him how to do it.
Josh said:
I do sometimes make bad decisions but I am young and I do drive safe and I will not endanger the lives of others..and I hope you are not under the impression that I am the one to brag, I have never been that way and never will. Plus I will have pictures up asap with me in the pictures. I have no reason to lie buddy.
- **ing hell, RIP kids, let that be a warning to us all, those of us about to drive, and those of us giving people advice on how to drive over the internet. I'm not saying its wrong, but think a bit.
This is a good illustration of the dynamics of the crash.
Supposedly, John Travolta has used this airstrip for his planes.
It's a wide, long runway. Long enough to handle John Travolta's personal Boeing 707 (although that's in court right now). But apparently the tarmac is in poor condition. See below.
The following is from a site that provides information on airports across the US:
Dimensions: 7550 x 210 ft. / 2301 x 64 m
Surface: asphalt, in poor condition
DETERIORATED WITH POT HOLES AND SEVERE CRACKING.
1 ASPH SFC IS ONLY 2.75 INCHES THICK. HEAVIER ACFT MAY CAUSE IMMEDIATE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THE DEERIORATED SURFACE AND MAY GENERATE FOD.
RY 18/36 NOT CROWNED OR GRVD CAUSING STANDING WATER DURING AND AFTER RAIN.
No doubt the poor condition of the runway was a contributing factor in the crash.
Here's an actual photo of the runway.
Cheers,
Madman of the People
Supposedly, John Travolta has used this airstrip for his planes.
It's a wide, long runway. Long enough to handle John Travolta's personal Boeing 707 (although that's in court right now). But apparently the tarmac is in poor condition. See below.
The following is from a site that provides information on airports across the US:
Dimensions: 7550 x 210 ft. / 2301 x 64 m
Surface: asphalt, in poor condition
DETERIORATED WITH POT HOLES AND SEVERE CRACKING.
1 ASPH SFC IS ONLY 2.75 INCHES THICK. HEAVIER ACFT MAY CAUSE IMMEDIATE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THE DEERIORATED SURFACE AND MAY GENERATE FOD.
RY 18/36 NOT CROWNED OR GRVD CAUSING STANDING WATER DURING AND AFTER RAIN.
No doubt the poor condition of the runway was a contributing factor in the crash.
Here's an actual photo of the runway.
Cheers,
Madman of the People
Edited by MadmanO/T People on Tuesday 29th January 06:16
Edited by MadmanO/T People on Tuesday 29th January 06:17
MadmanO/T People said:
No doubt the poor condition of the runway was a contributing factor in the crash.
You mean rather than the combination of a recklessly stupid 18 year old driving way beyond his ability in unknown conditions......
An 18 year old in an M5...WTF....hope his parents are happy with giving their dumb kid such an expensive tool to kill his buddies and himself with.....unbelievable.
CommanderJameson said:
What a prat.
Still, at least he didn't do it on the public road.
I couldn't work out exactly what he did.Still, at least he didn't do it on the public road.
We PHers regularly go to airfields like Bruntingthorpe to max out our cars. I've done it (although I didn't achieve the theoretical Vmax). Sure - I wouldn't sneak onto Bruntingthorpe in the middle of the night - but -
there but for the grace of God?
Don said:
CommanderJameson said:
What a prat.
Still, at least he didn't do it on the public road.
I couldn't work out exactly what he did.Still, at least he didn't do it on the public road.
We PHers regularly go to airfields like Bruntingthorpe to max out our cars. I've done it (although I didn't achieve the theoretical Vmax). Sure - I wouldn't sneak onto Bruntingthorpe in the middle of the night - but -
there but for the grace of God?
thats got to be the most stupid design for a runway !!
bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
DBSV8 said:
thats got to be the most stupid design for a runway !!
bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
Yeah,bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
rich parents, a bad decision, 5 kids dead. Why on earh would you have any sympathy?
Trueman sparks said:
DBSV8 said:
thats got to be the most stupid design for a runway !!
bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
Yeah,bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
rich parents, a bad decision, 5 kids dead. Why on earh would you have any sympathy?
was told by other M5 owners to be cautious and get a few years driving ability first.
would you let your inexpoerienced son drive your 500 bhp M5 .....
i think not ,
no sympathy
DBSV8 said:
Trueman sparks said:
DBSV8 said:
thats got to be the most stupid design for a runway !!
bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
Yeah,bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
rich parents, a bad decision, 5 kids dead. Why on earh would you have any sympathy?
was told by other M5 owners to be cautious and get a few years driving ability first.
would you let your inexpoerienced son drive your 500 bhp M5 .....
i think not ,
no sympathy
Using their wealth as justifacation really helps prove your point, Trial by bank balance, found guilty by poor judge me thinks. At least you wont go hungry with that big chip your carrying.
Have a nice culpable life and remember you get what you deserve, no complaining now.
Trueman sparks said:
DBSV8 said:
Trueman sparks said:
DBSV8 said:
thats got to be the most stupid design for a runway !!
bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
Yeah,bermed elevated at the end to 80" .....no sand run off area just a big drop into trees !!
rather like driving off HMS Hermes !!
not much sympathy to be honest rich kid with 2008 Beemer who couldn't handle it , says it all really about the parents
rich parents, a bad decision, 5 kids dead. Why on earh would you have any sympathy?
was told by other M5 owners to be cautious and get a few years driving ability first.
would you let your inexpoerienced son drive your 500 bhp M5 .....
i think not ,
no sympathy
Using their wealth as justifacation really helps prove your point, Trial by bank balance, found guilty by poor judge me thinks. At least you wont go hungry with that big chip your carrying.
Have a nice culpable life and remember you get what you deserve, no complaining now.
I have attended too many accident scenes ,
of course I have sympathy but for the passengers / parents who lost loved ones.
Not for a driver that was intent to drive above his abilities what ever the cost.
not for a driver with 4 convivtions for speeding
not for a parent allowing the driver to use said vehicle with his recent History of driving convictions.
thanks
You have no idea how hard it was to persuade my mum to let me have 1.8 ltr car at 18. Even now im 19 with 2 years driving behind me in many different vehicles she still worries. I just dont see how any self respecting parent would let an inexperienced kid out in a 500bhp car. Common Sense?
Very sad story!!
My thoughts are with their parents....
I don't think there is anything wrong with giving a powerful car to a young person, its a question of educating the kid not to do silly things - I own a 07 boxster s and i'm 21, not as powerful as an M5 but its not slow.
I'm sure my parents get worried when I go out driving but i have been educated and no not to speed and abuse the car for what it is...
but... M5 is a big car, he had 5 of his mates in with him so he decided to show off and all ended sadly....
RIP Josh.
My thoughts are with their parents....
I don't think there is anything wrong with giving a powerful car to a young person, its a question of educating the kid not to do silly things - I own a 07 boxster s and i'm 21, not as powerful as an M5 but its not slow.
I'm sure my parents get worried when I go out driving but i have been educated and no not to speed and abuse the car for what it is...
but... M5 is a big car, he had 5 of his mates in with him so he decided to show off and all ended sadly....
RIP Josh.
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