Single Seater & Saloons Mixed

[oilydan]

OK, our local track www.dubaiautodrome.com  has refused me entry to their track day on the grounds that 'in Europe single seaters and saloons are no allowed to mix on the track'.

Is this the case or are they feeding me BS?

[agent006]

Open wheeled cars generally not allowed on UK trackdays.

[oilydan]

But with cycle covers fitted 'Ariel Atom Style'? Shouldn't be a problem, right?

[gtdc]

Sticking mudguards on a FFord wouldn't make it not a single seater. A real Arial Atom wouldn't be classed as a single seater.

Melindi
www.goldtrack.co.uk

[Sean Edwards]

Common, use some common sense... It's down to safety, you can imagine what is going to happen to a single seater that gets hit by a 2 ton car or a 4x4 (yes, I have seen 4x4's on track before)!? Plus, it is very hard to see a single seater coming when your in a GT or road car.

In the UK we have test days and there are two sessions, one for single seater and one for GT type cars, so they are allowed on all the circuits, just not on all days.

[h9hlp]

Hi mate the problem is all to do with open wheels mixing with normal cars, it just doesn't happen. If you cover the wheels like on a westfield you shouldn't have any futher problems
Cheers Lee

[gtdc]

That's not true Lee. You can't put wings on a formula car and put it on a trackday.

Melindi
www.goldtrack.co.uk

[reaper668]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl0l14lcUk8

It does happen sometimes.

[Jubal]

reaper668 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl0l14lcUk8

It does happen sometimes.

Those are Sprint Rs. More of a single seat 7 clone than a wings and slicks racer. It's a grey line but I'd hate to see dedicated track day cars like this get drawn into the conversation.

[Birdthom]

I don't think it's sensible but I've seen a few open wheeled single seaters (FFs & historic F3s) on Trakzone days at Donny before now.

[BertBert]

I have seen an FF zetec at Donington (I'm tempted to say on a BaT day a couple of years back).

So what's the difference between a "formula car" and a Radical?

Bert

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BertBert said:

I have seen an FF zetec at Donington (I'm tempted to say on a BaT day a couple of years back).

So what's the difference between a "formula car" and a Radical?

Bert

Well for a start one has open wheels and the other doesn't.

[BertBert]

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BertBert said:

I have seen an FF zetec at Donington (I'm tempted to say on a BaT day a couple of years back).

So what's the difference between a "formula car" and a Radical?

Bert

Well for a start one has open wheels and the other doesn't.

Well in Melindi's comment that didnt seem to make a difference.

Bert

[gtdc]

I meant like a Formula Ford or Formula Renault. Single seater race car. I didn't mean a Radical or Caterfield or Rocket or Atom.

Can't think of any more.

If TrackZone were running single seaters they were muppets - they'd have invaliodated the liability insurance for the day.

Melindi
www.goldtrack.co.uk

[Elderly]

gtdc said:

If TrackZone were running single seaters they were muppets - they'd have invaliodated the liability insurance for the day.

Melindi

My first proper Track Day was a Trackzone day in a 35 year old borrowed road going coupe
with no N/S mirror.
I was booked into the advanced group by a neighbour who took his Formula Renault.

After getting the bug and getting my own car, I subsequently used to see a smattering of
single seaters there.

[RobCrezz]

gtdc said:

Sticking mudguards on a FFord wouldn't make it not a single seater. A real Arial Atom wouldn't be classed as a single seater.

Melindi
www.goldtrack.co.uk

Cos it has 2 seats?

[gtdc]

I'm not explaining this well.

I'll go and find someone more eloquent.

Melindi
www.goldtrack.co.uk

[jleroux]

The term "single-seater" is a complete misnomer. A caterham with a seat taken out is a single seater after all so the number of seats is irrelevant. The term is generally used to describe "formula" cars - ie this with open/exposed wheels (and often slicks and wings).

These bike engined kit car things are walking a very fine line in my opinion - they fulfil the criteria (ie they have covered wheels) but its a loophole rather than a solution. I wouldn't want to be on track in a Sprint-R at the same time as an Evo or Subaru for example.

Some track day organisers don't care what you drive - usually the ones with no financial or liability implications (it's not the owners of the circuits who take the bookings after all). Personally I don't want any non-road legal MOT failures on track at the same time as £100K worth of my uninsured Superlights but plenty of organisers are less fussy.

[sniff petrol]

From Donington last August:

[Jubal]

jleroux said:

These bike engined kit car things are walking a very fine line in my opinion - they fulfil the criteria (ie they have covered wheels) but its a loophole rather than a solution. I wouldn't want to be on track in a Sprint-R at the same time as an Evo or Subaru for example.

That's not really a practical comment as it doesn't explain why not? Any light and low car will come off badly in collision against a heavy saloon, if that's what you're alluding to? Add a mere 100kg or so to the tin top (e.g. big passenger) and the same argument holds true for a 7 style car. There can be no issues with visibility if both drivers are adhering to the overtaking rules.