bus lane cameras
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I think I inadvertently drove in a permenant bus lane in London recently.
It was at 4am, and I (mistakenly) thought that most buslanes were not operational before 7am.
Anyway whats done is done, but what are my chances of getting a ticket?
I was in the bus lane for about 4 seconds or so then realised, then left the lane.
Is there some cretin of a public servant up in the small hours manning the CCTV waiting for PrincePerch to slip up, or will the fact it was in the small hours mean I might be lucky?
As I suspect, I think Red Ken will be sending me a nice letter asking for £60 or thereabouts.
It was at 4am, and I (mistakenly) thought that most buslanes were not operational before 7am.
Anyway whats done is done, but what are my chances of getting a ticket?
I was in the bus lane for about 4 seconds or so then realised, then left the lane.
Is there some cretin of a public servant up in the small hours manning the CCTV waiting for PrincePerch to slip up, or will the fact it was in the small hours mean I might be lucky?
As I suspect, I think Red Ken will be sending me a nice letter asking for £60 or thereabouts.
carrotchomper said:
If you did I would be tempted to take it to court. It's my understanding that gaining some kind of "benefit", ie flashing past a line of stationary cars, is central to the successful prosecution of the offence.
No, juts being in the bus lane is sufficient during the hours of operation ... which for many nowadays is 24X7 - StreakyETA: that's the hours of bus lane operation, not of the buses themselves
- SEdited by streaky on Wednesday 6th February 09:29
princeperch said:
anyone got odds on me being ticketed or not?
2 people have told me theyve done something similar to me and not heard any more of it...
I got done in a 10 metre length of bus lane near Clerkenwell, London last October. I was on a motorbike & hadn't clocked that the particualr section of bus lane didn't allow motocycles during certain hours (I mean, it's not as if bus lanes in London have uniform rules or anything). I had been riding around the area for 15 minute trying to find access to a particualr road because 3 weeks earlier, Tfl or some other numpty had blocked-up the usual way of entry (used since the Romans were here) & made it 1-way.2 people have told me theyve done something similar to me and not heard any more of it...
Amazing how such a short, pointless stretch of bus lane has camera coverage!
Was I prepared to try & put mitigating circumstances forward? Was I bollox.
Your looking at £60 for the local council lazy-bast fund. Take the pill, bitter though it is.
Pay it, have a rant & move on.
nowt says you can't still be bitter though
Smiler. said:
princeperch said:
anyone got odds on me being ticketed or not?
2 people have told me theyve done something similar to me and not heard any more of it...
I got done in a 10 metre length of bus lane near Clerkenwell, London last October. I was on a motorbike & hadn't clocked that the particualr section of bus lane didn't allow motocycles during certain hours (I mean, it's not as if bus lanes in London have uniform rules or anything). I had been riding around the area for 15 minute trying to find access to a particualr road because 3 weeks earlier, Tfl or some other numpty had blocked-up the usual way of entry (used since the Romans were here) & made it 1-way.2 people have told me theyve done something similar to me and not heard any more of it...
Amazing how such a short, pointless stretch of bus lane has camera coverage!
Was I prepared to try & put mitigating circumstances forward? Was I bollox.
Your looking at £60 for the local council lazy-bast fund. Take the pill, bitter though it is.
Pay it, have a rant & move on.
nowt says you can't still be bitter though
ed by Ken L.Not been a good week.
How long till the ticket came through?
Not your week at all is it Mr Perch. Took two weeks for my PCN to come through - I had no idea that I was due one.
I have to ride up to Tooting today, so I run the risk of either looking out for hazards/where I'm going etc. or checking the validity of the bit of road I'm about to travel on.
Road Safety eh, it's a bugger ain't it?
I have to ride up to Tooting today, so I run the risk of either looking out for hazards/where I'm going etc. or checking the validity of the bit of road I'm about to travel on.
Road Safety eh, it's a bugger ain't it?
PP, I would say that you've got at least a 70% chance of not receiving a ticket. It's usually not economical for the parasites to monitor cameras through the small hours: I think the cameras are monitored live, so it's a combination of antisocial hours and few "punters". In fact I've never heard of a camera PCN being sent out for a contravention at that sort of time. Besides, driving on a bus lane in the view of a camera certainly doesn't automatically result in a ticket, at any time.
And if you do get one, please don't just pay it. If you go along to PePiPoo and post a scan of the PCN, there's every chance that there'll be a basic error on it which invalidates the whole thing (in which case you can appeal, all the way to the adjudicator if necessary, without having to turn up or spend any money except on postage). It's worth asking on there at the very least. It's amazing how useless some councils are even when they're raising funds. As with SCPs they rely on people paying up to make it go away.
The ticket needs to arrive (or be dated, one of the two) within 14 days of the contravention to be valid BTW. Please let us know if/when you do get one. But I wouldn't worry in the meantime. That's what they want, as part of their overall aim to foist as much misery upon car drivers as possible.
And if you do get one, please don't just pay it. If you go along to PePiPoo and post a scan of the PCN, there's every chance that there'll be a basic error on it which invalidates the whole thing (in which case you can appeal, all the way to the adjudicator if necessary, without having to turn up or spend any money except on postage). It's worth asking on there at the very least. It's amazing how useless some councils are even when they're raising funds. As with SCPs they rely on people paying up to make it go away.
The ticket needs to arrive (or be dated, one of the two) within 14 days of the contravention to be valid BTW. Please let us know if/when you do get one. But I wouldn't worry in the meantime. That's what they want, as part of their overall aim to foist as much misery upon car drivers as possible.
GPSHead said:
PP, I would say that you've got at least a 70% chance of not receiving a ticket. It's usually not economical for the parasites to monitor cameras through the small hours: I think the cameras are monitored live, so it's a combination of antisocial hours and few "punters". In fact I've never heard of a camera PCN being sent out for a contravention at that sort of time. Besides, driving on a bus lane in the view of a camera certainly doesn't automatically result in a ticket, at any time.
And if you do get one, please don't just pay it. If you go along to PePiPoo and post a scan of the PCN, there's every chance that there'll be a basic error on it which invalidates the whole thing (in which case you can appeal, all the way to the adjudicator if necessary, without having to turn up or spend any money except on postage). It's worth asking on there at the very least. It's amazing how useless some councils are even when they're raising funds. As with SCPs they rely on people paying up to make it go away.
The ticket needs to arrive (or be dated, one of the two) within 14 days of the contravention to be valid BTW. Please let us know if/when you do get one. But I wouldn't worry in the meantime. That's what they want, as part of their overall aim to foist as much misery upon car drivers as possible.
thats the sort of thing I was hoping I might hear. I know the tickets are sent out as a result of CCTV stills which a person has to take.And if you do get one, please don't just pay it. If you go along to PePiPoo and post a scan of the PCN, there's every chance that there'll be a basic error on it which invalidates the whole thing (in which case you can appeal, all the way to the adjudicator if necessary, without having to turn up or spend any money except on postage). It's worth asking on there at the very least. It's amazing how useless some councils are even when they're raising funds. As with SCPs they rely on people paying up to make it go away.
The ticket needs to arrive (or be dated, one of the two) within 14 days of the contravention to be valid BTW. Please let us know if/when you do get one. But I wouldn't worry in the meantime. That's what they want, as part of their overall aim to foist as much misery upon car drivers as possible.
It wouldnt surprise me if I get a ticket though. My 60 quid would have paid for the scummers night shift paypacket.
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streaky said:
carrotchomper said:
If you did I would be tempted to take it to court. It's my understanding that gaining some kind of "benefit", ie flashing past a line of stationary cars, is central to the successful prosecution of the offence.
No, juts being in the bus lane is sufficient during the hours of operation ... which for many nowadays is 24X7 - StreakyETA: that's the hours of bus lane operation, not of the buses themselves
- SEdited by streaky on Wednesday 6th February 09:29
Especially galling as at no point were all 4 wheels in the bus lane. ANd I was also indicating right to get out of it/avoid it as it was just starting. (Tottenham Court Road)
The photos made my blood boil when it was obvious that I was trying to avoid it, gained nothing by entering it for 7 yards or so and traffic very light!
Smiler. said:
I got done in a 10 metre length of bus lane near Clerkenwell, London last October. ... (I mean, it's not as if bus lanes in London have uniform rules or anything). ... Amazing how such a short, pointless stretch of bus lane has camera coverage!
Not amazing at all. Think about it. What's likely to make money? A short, pointless stretch of bus lane! So, put a scamera on it. How do you ensure you continue to make money? Make sure there's no consistency in the rules."You" are, of course, TfL.
Streaky
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