Is this VFM?
Is this VFM?
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Li Moo Bai

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847 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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Hello BMW nuts. I'm usually to be found in the Porsche forum but am posting here to get some advice from those in the know re: the E46 3-series.

I would like to retire the porsche to garage duties and find a good Bee-em to do the work run/daily drive (have always fancied one in fact). I typically do ~10k miles a year or less.

can you tell me if the following sounds good value:

1999 323i SE
105k
steptronic

£3850

service history is almost all BMW.



What are these cars like to live with, what sort of mpg do they return and are they any major reliability issues to be aware of?


Cheers in advance!

eowen

16,699 posts

294 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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My partner had a 323i SE E36 (1998) and we just sold that for 4k with only 32,000 on the clock...

It used to do about 28mpg. I'd be trying to find one with a bit lower miles if it was me.

dxb335d

2,905 posts

224 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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I sold a 318is coupe family owned from new (1999) with 80k fsh for 3100. I think your paying a little too much there buddy.

RichBurley

2,432 posts

282 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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Hold on guys; the OP is talking about an E46 3 series, not an E36 3 series. Does that change your view now?

The OP's car of interest seems quite well priced, for the newer shape model.

Li Moo Bai

Original Poster:

847 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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Thanks for replies so far.

Looking again the car in question is a bit steep by a few hundred perhaps.
It was on the board at work so caught my eye. Seems to me there is such a bewildering array of models and specs to choose from it's difficult to know VFM when you see it, hence my question to the experts on 'ere.

So more to the point, what are they like to live with?

dxb335d

2,905 posts

224 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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What varient is it? E35 OR E46?

RichBurley

2,432 posts

282 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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dxb335d said:
What varient is it? E36 OR E46?
Check out the paragraph of the OP's post!! He's talking about the E46.

[TW]Fox

13,573 posts

275 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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It's a good price for an E46 - the E36 values are not relevant.

dxb335d

2,905 posts

224 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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ooops silly me

Li Moo Bai

Original Poster:

847 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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cheers.

is the auto box easy enough to live with then?

might give the guy a call tomorrow see if it's still for sale.

i note from the parkers guide they are a wee bit thirsty mind.


dxb335d

2,905 posts

224 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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Autobox is easy enough. cant comment on the fuel economy tho.

forsure

2,244 posts

297 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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Li Moo Bai said:
What are these cars like to live with, what sort of mpg do they return and are they any major reliability issues to be aware of?
Early E46 are not as sharp to drive as E36. They're ok, but a Porsche driver might be disappointed. The '01 facelift brought chassis tweaks and a quicker rack that improved things considerably.
The 'Nikasil' engine problem was resolved in early '98, so it's not an issue with E46.

ETA: I've been looking at 323 & 328 autos for a while & I don't recall seeing an E46 for under £4k.

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Edited by forsure on Wednesday 6th February 21:41

Li Moo Bai

Original Poster:

847 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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forsure said:
Li Moo Bai said:
What are these cars like to live with, what sort of mpg do they return and are they any major reliability issues to be aware of?
Early E46 are not as sharp to drive as E36. They're ok, but a Porsche driver might be disappointed. The '01 facelift brought chassis tweaks and a quicker rack that improved things considerably.
The 'Nikasil' engine problem was resolved in early '98, so it's not an issue with E46.

ETA: I've been looking at 323 & 328 autos for a while & I don't recall seeing an E46 for under £4k.

Edited by forsure on Wednesday 6th February 21:40


Edited by forsure on Wednesday 6th February 21:41
Thanks for the info.

As I have an older porsche anything modern will probably feel less direct or should i say give less steering feedbackbut that's fine; I'm after a comfy driver that will munch the miles really.

Have you test-driven the E46 auto then ?

forsure

2,244 posts

297 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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Li Moo Bai said:
Have you test-driven the E46 auto then ?
I've driven hundreds of them (used to work for a BMW dealer).
I prefer autos and wouldn't hesitate to recommend the E46.
They have 'steptronic': flick the lever to the left for 'sport' mode - and, from there, push or pull to select manually.

There is some debate about maintenance of the transmission. Officially they are 'sealed-for-life', but some people recommend a fluid change once you reach six-figure mileage.

Li Moo Bai

Original Poster:

847 posts

234 months

Thursday 7th February 2008
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forsure said:
Li Moo Bai said:
Have you test-driven the E46 auto then ?
I've driven hundreds of them (used to work for a BMW dealer).
I prefer autos and wouldn't hesitate to recommend the E46.
They have 'steptronic': flick the lever to the left for 'sport' mode - and, from there, push or pull to select manually.

There is some debate about maintenance of the transmission. Officially they are 'sealed-for-life', but some people recommend a fluid change once you reach six-figure mileage.
that's encouraging. how do they stand up to high mileages then?

forsure

2,244 posts

297 months

Thursday 7th February 2008
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[quote=Li Moo Bai
that's encouraging. how do they stand up to high mileages then?
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High mileage isn't a problem if the service history is good.

Barreti

6,689 posts

266 months

Thursday 7th February 2008
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I bought my 2000(X) E46 320i (2.2) in September last year with 66k on the clock for £6500

Possibly not helpful but you never know.

Another piece of potentially useless information is that I sold my 2000(X) Alfa Sportwagon with a steptronic gearbox because, whilst the steptronic gearbox was fantastic when it worked, I never really knew if it was going to work and it spent weeks back and forth to the dealer until Alfa eventually replaced the box, I sold it anyway because I'd lost faith in it, losing a stupid amount of money into the bargain.
The trouble with the Alfa unit was it would sometimes just not select a gear. So I could go out on a morning, start the car and go nowhere because I couldn't get a gear.

Had me doing this ranting far too often for my liking so I hope the BMW version is considerably more reliable.

forsure

2,244 posts

297 months

Thursday 7th February 2008
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Barreti said:
Had me doing this ranting far too often for my liking so I hope the BMW version is considerably more reliable.
Alfa 'Selespeed' is notoriously unreliable.
The BMW box is much less likely to fail.