Evening all ... please take a business card
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In his report (covered elsewhere) Sir Ronnie Flanagan says officers should no longer have to complete the 10-minute stop and account form used every time someone is questioned, but instead hand over a 'business-card' containing their details.
The card would be given to anybody who police question about their movements - enabling them to later ring to complain.
So that's OK then - Streaky
The card would be given to anybody who police question about their movements - enabling them to later ring to complain.
So that's OK then - Streaky
I have no problem with this!
I imagine that the behaviour of the BiB always is affected by the behaviour of the stopped/guilty g1t.
I have never been stopped in the street and only stopped in the car occasionally. Polite and decent behviour means, as a rule, reasonable behaviour both ways.
Give me a card and get on with catching a crim. Or a hoody with someone's pension in their pocket.
If required, I will take it up afterwards. I am sure there are some bad eggs in the force but come on, that goes for every field of life. If you have a gripe, take a card and move on.
Apologies if that is a bit simple but it is kind of the way we work.
ps - Not blowing smoke up anybody's sixth hole here.
I imagine that the behaviour of the BiB always is affected by the behaviour of the stopped/guilty g1t.
I have never been stopped in the street and only stopped in the car occasionally. Polite and decent behviour means, as a rule, reasonable behaviour both ways.
Give me a card and get on with catching a crim. Or a hoody with someone's pension in their pocket.
If required, I will take it up afterwards. I am sure there are some bad eggs in the force but come on, that goes for every field of life. If you have a gripe, take a card and move on.
Apologies if that is a bit simple but it is kind of the way we work.
ps - Not blowing smoke up anybody's sixth hole here.
- Streaky
The stop and account / stop and search form should be binned completely. The gist I get from this report is the stop and search form will stay as it is.
Stupid naive Government - as if the Police fill out the shitty forms every time they ask a shitbag what they are / have been doing. They should just have an ethnicity tally chart, that's all the Government give a shit about.
Stupid naive Government - as if the Police fill out the shitty forms every time they ask a shitbag what they are / have been doing. They should just have an ethnicity tally chart, that's all the Government give a shit about.
streaky said:
In his report (covered elsewhere) Sir Ronnie Flanagan says officers should no longer have to complete the 10-minute stop and account form used every time someone is questioned, but instead hand over a 'business-card' containing their details.
The card would be given to anybody who police question about their movements - enabling them to later ring to complain.
So that's OK then - Streaky
It's a step in the right direction, stop & account forms are a ludicrous waste of time.The card would be given to anybody who police question about their movements - enabling them to later ring to complain.
So that's OK then - Streaky
arent most the forms for that sort of thing an utter waste?
i may be well off the mark here but approx wouldnt it go
plod radio's in for a check on the person
plod searches person
person goes on way/gets nicked
so cant they just add a couple of boxes for the operator to record who asked for the check & if they seach. hey presto you've got a record of it.
or is that too simple?
i may be well off the mark here but approx wouldnt it go
plod radio's in for a check on the person
plod searches person
person goes on way/gets nicked
so cant they just add a couple of boxes for the operator to record who asked for the check & if they seach. hey presto you've got a record of it.
or is that too simple?
Have you seen the size of the form?
It is fecking huge. Its like the receipt you'd get when you've been shopping at Tesco and filled 10 trollies. You just would not believe the size of the thing, and the length of time spent filling it out - and the person who has been searched gets a carbon copy too.
Its a massive waste of time.
It is fecking huge. Its like the receipt you'd get when you've been shopping at Tesco and filled 10 trollies. You just would not believe the size of the thing, and the length of time spent filling it out - and the person who has been searched gets a carbon copy too.
Its a massive waste of time.
Parrot of Doom said:
Have you seen the size of the form?
It is fecking huge. Its like the receipt you'd get when you've been shopping at Tesco and filled 10 trollies. You just would not believe the size of the thing, and the length of time spent filling it out - and the person who has been searched gets a carbon copy too.
Its a massive waste of time.
8 pages - StreakyIt is fecking huge. Its like the receipt you'd get when you've been shopping at Tesco and filled 10 trollies. You just would not believe the size of the thing, and the length of time spent filling it out - and the person who has been searched gets a carbon copy too.
Its a massive waste of time.
I agree with FishFace, the only reason I can see for the stop and account forms is so the government can keep on eye on which different ethnic groups are being stopped. They are so worried about being called racist they want to keep tabs on this. It would be much better just to give control brief details of who you have stopped, give them a business card and then go on your way. That's my opinion anyway.
When Ronnie was in Norton Iron some would say that he was not noted for bringing home the bacon, but that is another matter.
Bear in mind this is his ideas and don't seem to recall him doing much frisking.
When we take cognizance of those working the streets and heed is taken of what THEY want to get the job done then I believe.
As a practioner of stop and search in then old days when no paper work was required no problem neither was I complained about. A great prevention tool and aid to fighting crime and suprising what it turned up. So good in fact that certain ethnic minority kicked up a fuss to get it stopped and were pandered to.
Fact. When I joined there used to be an offence under sect 4 Vagrancy Act 18?? - Going about at night with face blackened.
Guess where that is now?
dvd
Bear in mind this is his ideas and don't seem to recall him doing much frisking.
When we take cognizance of those working the streets and heed is taken of what THEY want to get the job done then I believe.
As a practioner of stop and search in then old days when no paper work was required no problem neither was I complained about. A great prevention tool and aid to fighting crime and suprising what it turned up. So good in fact that certain ethnic minority kicked up a fuss to get it stopped and were pandered to.
Fact. When I joined there used to be an offence under sect 4 Vagrancy Act 18?? - Going about at night with face blackened.
Guess where that is now?
dvd
What's the betting that this report is filed under the can't be bothered flag? Year on year these government reports suggest the obvious and everyone pats one another on the back and they are not implemented. When the changes firtst came in after the various riots, I had to prepare a report on them - actually my inspector had to - and my interpretation was that, in order to search anyone, the amount of suspicion needed was identical to that which was needed for an arrrest. I saw the force solicitor and he agreed.
So what the changes actually meant was that the stop search powers had, in effect, been removed and an alternative to arrest had replaced it. Give the ACC Crime his due, when my - or rather my inspector's, according to the signature - report hit his desk he changed the directions to 'enlarge' the powers of search, his theory being that if anyone was disciplined for not having the authority they could refer to his report and the guidelines included. So, if anyone was to blame it would be him. Nice touch.
The peculiar thing is that not only did we have to include on the stop search form the person's IC code, ie appearance, we had to include what IC code he/she thought they were or wanted to be known as. So an Eskimo could suggest they were IC3 - Affro/Carribean - and that's what would be on the form.
Still, stop/search form filling is a minor waste of time when compared to what has to be filled in for a simple arrest and charge. When the town's burning down, the government is repainting the fire engines.
So what the changes actually meant was that the stop search powers had, in effect, been removed and an alternative to arrest had replaced it. Give the ACC Crime his due, when my - or rather my inspector's, according to the signature - report hit his desk he changed the directions to 'enlarge' the powers of search, his theory being that if anyone was disciplined for not having the authority they could refer to his report and the guidelines included. So, if anyone was to blame it would be him. Nice touch.
The peculiar thing is that not only did we have to include on the stop search form the person's IC code, ie appearance, we had to include what IC code he/she thought they were or wanted to be known as. So an Eskimo could suggest they were IC3 - Affro/Carribean - and that's what would be on the form.
Still, stop/search form filling is a minor waste of time when compared to what has to be filled in for a simple arrest and charge. When the town's burning down, the government is repainting the fire engines.
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