Buying x-type high miler
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Why do you want to buy it? Is it down to price? If so I personally think buying a cheap, high miler to be a false economy as it is bound to require more attention and possibly bigger bills. But it would also depend on what you want to do with it. If you just want it a second run about car, which you don't intend to do much mileage, then it may well be a good bet.
But with all used cars, if it looks tired it probably is and could be a costly endeavour. However, if it looks like it has done the 100k, but is in top shape and drives with no squeaks, rattles, grinding, no thick smoke out the rear, brakes straight, accelerates well, starts up with ease and all the bits on it work. Then why not!
Which engine 2.0D?
G
But with all used cars, if it looks tired it probably is and could be a costly endeavour. However, if it looks like it has done the 100k, but is in top shape and drives with no squeaks, rattles, grinding, no thick smoke out the rear, brakes straight, accelerates well, starts up with ease and all the bits on it work. Then why not!
Which engine 2.0D?
G
High mileage X types were refered to as "a bag of bolts" in Autocar recently.
I'm deeply, deeply suspicious of modern high mileage cars - with a few exceptions, the manufacturers have extended servicing intervals so much resulting in chronic mechanical wear due to lubrication failure, and cut component design and quality right back to the bare minimum in a bid to cut the perceived cost of ownership when new that after 100k or so every mechanical component will be at the end of it's design life.
If it's a good 'un, with a proper warranty and cheap it may be worth a look.
But bear in mind you're basicaly buying a Mondeo, but paying Jaguar money for parts, servicing and repairs to run it.
Old Jaguars can rapidly bankrupt you...trust me, I've been there
I'm deeply, deeply suspicious of modern high mileage cars - with a few exceptions, the manufacturers have extended servicing intervals so much resulting in chronic mechanical wear due to lubrication failure, and cut component design and quality right back to the bare minimum in a bid to cut the perceived cost of ownership when new that after 100k or so every mechanical component will be at the end of it's design life.
If it's a good 'un, with a proper warranty and cheap it may be worth a look.
But bear in mind you're basicaly buying a Mondeo, but paying Jaguar money for parts, servicing and repairs to run it.
Old Jaguars can rapidly bankrupt you...trust me, I've been there
Jaguar steve said:
parts, servicing and repairs to run it.
Old Jaguars can rapidly bankrupt you...trust me, I've been there
not wanting to sound inflamitory but everything you wrote seemd to be based on having a head stuck in 1972.Old Jaguars can rapidly bankrupt you...trust me, I've been there
What are you blithering on about? And do tell, what old jags nearly backrupted you because as sure as Tax and death it wasnt a 4 year old X-type was it. Oh and well done on dropping the mondeo bullshit in just to extend your ignorance
to the O/P what price are you paying for it? So long as it is tidy and as you say fully booked up (a quick chat with jaguar service will verify it) I say go for it.
stigmundfreud said:
Jaguar steve said:
parts, servicing and repairs to run it.
Old Jaguars can rapidly bankrupt you...trust me, I've been there
not wanting to sound inflamitory but everything you wrote seemd to be based on having a head stuck in 1972.Old Jaguars can rapidly bankrupt you...trust me, I've been there
What are you blithering on about? And do tell, what old jags nearly backrupted you because as sure as Tax and death it wasnt a 4 year old X-type was it. Oh and well done on dropping the mondeo bullshit in just to extend your ignorance
to the O/P what price are you paying for it? So long as it is tidy and as you say fully booked up (a quick chat with jaguar service will verify it) I say go for it.
If you read my post again you will see I didn't say not to buy an X type - in fact I agreed with you it may be worth a look, but suggested a little caution regarding the mileage - 94k in just 4 years, is suggesting a rather hard life - and the fact that at this mileage the car is approaching the end of it's design life and is also likley to have suffered the effects of Jaguar's minimalist servicing schedule.
Incidentally, you do seem very sensitive to my mentioning the fact that the Mondeo and X Type share a common platform, and are built using 1000's of identical components. There's nothing wrong with this policy at all - several manufacturers share components, engineering skills, design and manufacturing techniques, usually to the benefit of producing a better product.
IMO anyone who feels the need to descend into personal insults by going on the defensive about the "Mondeo bullshit" is actually proving their ignorance by completely ignoring the facts relating to the origins of the X Type - and at the same time revealing a awfull lot about about themselves and their ego needs.
94K over 4 years is preferable to 10K over 10 years any day. It indicates that the car has been running at the correct temperature for long distances, probably a lot of motorway work, where there is virtually no stress or wear. As long as the history is all there, as long as (assuming you are buying from a dealer here) you can contact the previous owner and discuss the car beforehand, then the price should be very cheap and I'd buy it. yes, the Mondeo reference is attributable but Jaguar put a lot more effort and technology into the X type than Ford did into the Mondeo (except that there was no auto available on the diesel for some reason). If you want to run a nail of an old 80's Jaguar on peanuts yes it will bankrupt you, but then you knew that before buying it didn't you? If you didn't, then you are more a fool than you post shows.
lowdrag said:
94K over 4 years is preferable to 10K over 10 years any day. It indicates that the car has been running at the correct temperature for long distances, probably a lot of motorway work, where there is virtually no stress or wear. As long as the history is all there, as long as (assuming you are buying from a dealer here) you can contact the previous owner and discuss the car beforehand, then the price should be very cheap and I'd buy it. yes, the Mondeo reference is attributable but Jaguar put a lot more effort and technology into the X type than Ford did into the Mondeo (except that there was no auto available on the diesel for some reason). If you want to run a nail of an old 80's Jaguar on peanuts yes it will bankrupt you, but then you knew that before buying it didn't you? If you didn't, then you are more a fool than you post shows.
Probrably motorway work? maybe, or an ex Taxi perhaps? or could be a abused ex-company pool car, or a clocked 'n crashed pile of Cat D crap from the local car auction. It could be bargain or a complete disaster. Might be up for sale at a main dealer with a 30 day exchange and 12 month warranty or a from a Pikey working from a rented lock up. May possibly last for years or have a gearbox failure - costing more than the value of the car to put right -next week.Who knows? I don't and neither do you.
Franky I don't really give a toss either. If anyone wants to jump in blind and find out how expensive modern Jaguars are when they go wrong for themselves, then go ahead. I have a pile of bills for over £2000 for tyres, replacement parts and oils spent on my current Jaguar over the last 15000 miles - and I'm a skilled mechanic and have all the tools, knowledge, technicial information (with the exception of WDS diagnostics) and 30 years of experience required to do servicing and repairs myself without running up labour bills of £100+ an hour in a garage.
Just amuses me how much anger and hysteria one comment about the X Types shared platform - intended to be a bit tounge in cheek, but again based on facts - has stirred up though. Clearly I've touched a nerve here, and perhaps that's what's annoyed you enough to accuse my Series 3 of being an old nail.
I'm really intrigued to see how you know enough to have a valid opinion about it that you're prepared to post on a Jaguar forum - how could you possibly know what it was like - did you ever see it? And I'd love to know why you assume I was foolish enough to try to attempt runing it on peanuts.
More to the point, do you really think I care - I'm old enough, and have the confidence and maturity that comes with age not to give a shit when other people insult my judgement or choice of cars.
Unfortunately though, I havn't grown out of winding up idiots in public just yet.
I think the issue was with your flippant comment about it being a mondeo at jag prices, which was a ridiculous statement as was basing your reliability statement on owning old ruinous jags. I'm happy it shares mondeo platform, the mondeo is a superb car and I owned one 
Do I get angry about it? No. Would I drop the mondeo wind up in a conversation if I owned an S or XJS, you bet 
Do I get angry about it? No. Would I drop the mondeo wind up in a conversation if I owned an S or XJS, you bet 
Jaguar steve said:
Probrably motorway work? maybe, or an ex Taxi perhaps? or could be a abused ex-company pool car, or a clocked 'n crashed pile of Cat D crap from the local car auction. It could be bargain or a complete disaster. Might be up for sale at a main dealer with a 30 day exchange and 12 month warranty or a from a Pikey working from a rented lock up. May possibly last for years or have a gearbox failure - costing more than the value of the car to put right -next week.
Who knows? I don't and neither do you.
Franky I don't really give a toss either. If anyone wants to jump in blind and find out how expensive modern Jaguars are when they go wrong for themselves, then go ahead. I have a pile of bills for over £2000 for tyres, replacement parts and oils spent on my current Jaguar over the last 15000 miles - and I'm a skilled mechanic and have all the tools, knowledge, technicial information (with the exception of WDS diagnostics) and 30 years of experience required to do servicing and repairs myself without running up labour bills of £100+ an hour in a garage.
Just amuses me how much anger and hysteria one comment about the X Types shared platform - intended to be a bit tounge in cheek, but again based on facts - has stirred up though. Clearly I've touched a nerve here, and perhaps that's what's annoyed you enough to accuse my Series 3 of being an old nail.
I'm really intrigued to see how you know enough to have a valid opinion about it that you're prepared to post on a Jaguar forum - how could you possibly know what it was like - did you ever see it? And I'd love to know why you assume I was foolish enough to try to attempt runing it on peanuts.
More to the point, do you really think I care - I'm old enough, and have the confidence and maturity that comes with age not to give a shit when other people insult my judgement or choice of cars.
Unfortunately though, I havn't grown out of winding up idiots in public just yet.
i agree, modern cars are very expensive to maintain if something goes wrong, and if its diesel x2 on the price to fix!Who knows? I don't and neither do you.
Franky I don't really give a toss either. If anyone wants to jump in blind and find out how expensive modern Jaguars are when they go wrong for themselves, then go ahead. I have a pile of bills for over £2000 for tyres, replacement parts and oils spent on my current Jaguar over the last 15000 miles - and I'm a skilled mechanic and have all the tools, knowledge, technicial information (with the exception of WDS diagnostics) and 30 years of experience required to do servicing and repairs myself without running up labour bills of £100+ an hour in a garage.
Just amuses me how much anger and hysteria one comment about the X Types shared platform - intended to be a bit tounge in cheek, but again based on facts - has stirred up though. Clearly I've touched a nerve here, and perhaps that's what's annoyed you enough to accuse my Series 3 of being an old nail.
I'm really intrigued to see how you know enough to have a valid opinion about it that you're prepared to post on a Jaguar forum - how could you possibly know what it was like - did you ever see it? And I'd love to know why you assume I was foolish enough to try to attempt runing it on peanuts.
More to the point, do you really think I care - I'm old enough, and have the confidence and maturity that comes with age not to give a shit when other people insult my judgement or choice of cars.
Unfortunately though, I havn't grown out of winding up idiots in public just yet.
i'd probably shy away from a 100K mile x-type diesel, any number of issues could cause a problem in the short term -eg turbos, injectors, high pressure fuel pump, DMF etc imho to much to go wrong and leave a very nasty after taste.
stigmundfreud said:
I think the issue was with your flippant comment about it being a mondeo at jag prices, which was a ridiculous statement as was basing your reliability statement on owning old ruinous jags. I'm happy it shares mondeo platform, the mondeo is a superb car and I owned one Do I get angry about it? No. Would I drop the mondeo wind up in a conversation if I owned an S or XJS, you bet
You can have a ruinous new Jag too you know.... There's one on my driveway. Do I get angry about it? No. Would I drop the mondeo wind up in a conversation if I owned an S or XJS, you bet Triple7 said:
I'd rather have a an X-Type over a Mondeo at any price.
G
Genuine question, but why?G
The reason for asking, is that when I bought the Mondeo it was from a garage “oop North” and my boss at the time lent me his Jaguar X-Type 2.2D Premium Sport. Nice car, went well, loved the alcantara / leather seats and found it a comfortable (if somewhat cramped) cabin. However, much to the amusement of myself and the missus, the Mondeo’s petrol V6 returned better mpg than the diesel X-Type. Not only that, it handled better and had more room in the cabin and the boot. Granted, the Jaguar is a nicer looking, and (if I’m honest) a nicer vehicle to be in – but as an ownership proposition the Mondeo appears to have the edge.
Would be very interested to hear your thoughts, and even more interested to see an X-Type owner's blog over a 2 year / 20k period.
the x-type is a shortened platform so there is less rear leg room than the mondeo it was based on. The real genuine absolute reason I got the X-type over the mondeo (bearing in mind I owned an ST-24 that I loved, and always took the mondeo option via work) wsa because I fancied a jag.
There was little cost difference between the x-type and the mondeo I was looking at spec for spec. I really like the look of the jag and the ride is very nice. So far the service from Jag has been far above that I had experienced via Ford too. Simple touches make the experience of ownership nicer.
There was little cost difference between the x-type and the mondeo I was looking at spec for spec. I really like the look of the jag and the ride is very nice. So far the service from Jag has been far above that I had experienced via Ford too. Simple touches make the experience of ownership nicer.
Go for it! I dont have a jag but am going to soon put my 101K 2001 Merc E320CDI estate up for sale. I am only selling cos i need a smaller car (wife has a disco 3). The miles and age of the car do not worry me as it always starts, costs little to run etc....... You can pick up my car for £7K I guess. A lot of car for your money. Engine will do 200k no probs.
Podie said:
Triple7 said:
I'd rather have a an X-Type over a Mondeo at any price.
G
Genuine question, but why?G
Granted, the Jaguar is a nicer looking, and (if I’m honest) a nicer vehicle to be in.........
All I paid for was 2 services, petrol and tax.
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