Brake Upgrade?
Discussion
Due to some serious abuse (not by me) my 4.0 Chimaera is having a major overhaul to bring her up to A1 again. I am trying to do the standard upgrades whilst the work is being done. I am upgrading the shocks to Gaz Nickel and going with poly-bushes and probably the Steve Heath Drop Links . My question is... I only want to use the car on the road not the track, I need new front discs and pad anyway so do I go with braided hoses, vented and drilled discs and better quality pads or a complete upgrade to say Cosworth Calipers et al. I am trying to reach a point where the car is spot on and I wont be doing major upgrades in a few years time because I scrimped now. I want to do the sensible improvements whilst she is being overhauled not go mad for the sake of it.
for some reason which i can not understand my car as 240mm front discs and 253mmm on the back ,my car is a 96 and should have bigger discs... i have gone for ebc turbo grooved discs ,ebc red stuff pads and braided hoses , i hope there will be a big improvement . can you tell me what the funcion of drop links thanks daz
http://www.tvrcarparts.com/pages/partdetail.asp?id...
They link the ends of the anti-roll bar to the lower wishbones. The standard ones have rubber bushes that compress over time, and play develops. These are rose-jointed and control the ARB much better. (This was the reply to my same question)
They link the ends of the anti-roll bar to the lower wishbones. The standard ones have rubber bushes that compress over time, and play develops. These are rose-jointed and control the ARB much better. (This was the reply to my same question)
I need new discs at the front anyway and as part of a major overhaul I am trying to do all the normal upgrades that have become standard for the Chim.
My car was seriously abused and now requires significant work to bring her back up to scratch so I want to do the recommended jobs whilst this is underway. Currently, new shocks Gaz Nickel, Poly Bushes, looks like new brakelines are required so probably go with braided, led's on the dash etc
I am not after a track car but a car that is showroom standard that will handle sweetly if I decide on a thrash across europe. Any suggestions greatly appreciated
My car was seriously abused and now requires significant work to bring her back up to scratch so I want to do the recommended jobs whilst this is underway. Currently, new shocks Gaz Nickel, Poly Bushes, looks like new brakelines are required so probably go with braided, led's on the dash etc
I am not after a track car but a car that is showroom standard that will handle sweetly if I decide on a thrash across europe. Any suggestions greatly appreciated
I replaced all disks and pads on my 99 450 with standard size but with drilled/grooved disks and EBC pads, works fine on road. I heard the usual warnings on drilled disks but mine have been fine, about 8k on them now.
Easy DIY job, aside from the few busted knuckles breaking the caliper bolts, which I'd replaced the allen key bolts with normal bolts if I did it again.
On track days I still find they leave a little to be desired, so may eventually go for bigger disks but on road they're fine.
I got my disks off FleeBay (some on there now) good price and they seem fine so far, the offest was different in the front but just leave the spacers out and it all lines up.
BTW when I investigated mine the existing front disks and calipers were off a Cossie 4x4 and rear off a Granada.
Easy DIY job, aside from the few busted knuckles breaking the caliper bolts, which I'd replaced the allen key bolts with normal bolts if I did it again.
On track days I still find they leave a little to be desired, so may eventually go for bigger disks but on road they're fine.
I got my disks off FleeBay (some on there now) good price and they seem fine so far, the offest was different in the front but just leave the spacers out and it all lines up.
BTW when I investigated mine the existing front disks and calipers were off a Cossie 4x4 and rear off a Granada.
Hi sbhumphrey
I am doing a bit of over hauling of my chim, not so much for abuse just age/mileage.
I am fitting gas shocks and the steve heath drop links but am keeping the standard bushes - a bit concerned that the poly bushes may spoil the ride a bit...?
Am going to replace the brake fluid and at the same time fit braided brake hoses. My rear discs are fine but am going to replace the front ones with standard ones (as i was given a set!)and am toying with the idea of going for up-graded pads. I have never had any issues with the braking so for road use i am not looking for any huge improvments.
Be careful going for up-graded bit everywhere as the all round performance may become compromised - ie need heat into them before they start to work properly - not a problem on track but maybe on the road....just a thought.
Good luck with the rebuild!
I am doing a bit of over hauling of my chim, not so much for abuse just age/mileage.
I am fitting gas shocks and the steve heath drop links but am keeping the standard bushes - a bit concerned that the poly bushes may spoil the ride a bit...?
Am going to replace the brake fluid and at the same time fit braided brake hoses. My rear discs are fine but am going to replace the front ones with standard ones (as i was given a set!)and am toying with the idea of going for up-graded pads. I have never had any issues with the braking so for road use i am not looking for any huge improvments.
Be careful going for up-graded bit everywhere as the all round performance may become compromised - ie need heat into them before they start to work properly - not a problem on track but maybe on the road....just a thought.
Good luck with the rebuild!
Know what you mean. I have been recommended Red EBC pads as they dont seem to have the heating up issues. Prior to the need for this work I used my TVR as an everyday car and with the exception of soggy carpets in the footwell every now and again it performed this task perfectly and allowed me to have a blast too. All being well the end result will allow that again, might even sort the leaks but I won't hold my breath.
I am sure I read on year a couple of years ago that the EBC red were not the best choice for the road as they were track day biased. I think the reason was either that they needed to get hot to give their best and/or that they wore the discs quickly. That was the reason I went for green ones.
Mind you I'm getting on a bit so I may be confused
Mind you I'm getting on a bit so I may be confused
Hi,
When V8 Developments upgraded my engine and injection system last Autumn, I decided to upgrade the brakes as well. I put Nitrac grooved discs all round with Red Dot pads and braided hoses. Oh yeah and new 5.1 flui. The pads warm up really quickly and the bite is much better without the fade when hot. I can recommend them. They were std size discs on my 97 Chim.
Mark
When V8 Developments upgraded my engine and injection system last Autumn, I decided to upgrade the brakes as well. I put Nitrac grooved discs all round with Red Dot pads and braided hoses. Oh yeah and new 5.1 flui. The pads warm up really quickly and the bite is much better without the fade when hot. I can recommend them. They were std size discs on my 97 Chim.
Mark
This gets more confusing by the day. I understand the heating up issue but it seems some of the suppliers out there either dont know the products or dont listen to the customer needs. My front discs and pads need replacing and I am hoping to upgrade them just enought to bring the bias which is currently more to the rear brakes to the front brakes. I use the car daily usually and I have no plans to take it on the track. There will be times on the road when I give it some welly and the standard set up has coped in the past but I am looking to give it a little extra. I am hoping some vented discs, grippier pads and braided hoses will give me the extra I am after.
I went through 2 upgrades on my chim.
the first was grooved and vented disks with EBC pads, and then bigger disks with willwood calipers. ( 295 off the top of my head)
The first upgrade was better, but I didnt like the pads, very unpredicatable from cold. some times great, sometimg nothing, some times veer one way then the next.
I've never had that with any other type of pad.
The second upgrade was like night and day. ( although admittedly it was coupled with spring and damper change)
after the second upgrade the braking was much better balanced, and the car much more stable under heavy braking and trail braking. The bigger front brakes also improved the modulation of the braking system, allowing you to balance the car much better, and get away with stuff that would have you backwards into a hedge with the standard setup.
the first was grooved and vented disks with EBC pads, and then bigger disks with willwood calipers. ( 295 off the top of my head)
The first upgrade was better, but I didnt like the pads, very unpredicatable from cold. some times great, sometimg nothing, some times veer one way then the next.
I've never had that with any other type of pad.
The second upgrade was like night and day. ( although admittedly it was coupled with spring and damper change)
after the second upgrade the braking was much better balanced, and the car much more stable under heavy braking and trail braking. The bigger front brakes also improved the modulation of the braking system, allowing you to balance the car much better, and get away with stuff that would have you backwards into a hedge with the standard setup.
poorpeet said:
I am sure I read on year a couple of years ago that the EBC red were not the best choice for the road as they were track day biased. I think the reason was either that they needed to get hot to give their best and/or that they wore the discs quickly. That was the reason I went for green ones.
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EBC Reds are fine from cold they just get much better when warm rather than fade. You could try TAR-OX sport discs - good quality discs with Red pads 260mm discs and braided hoses for the road will take some beating. A good option for track days too, they are only braking 1000kg of weight.:
Hello from Andy Freeman the owner of EBC Brakes.
I am to say the least dissappointed that there is such a misconception about our Green and other ranges of pads and want to put this straight.
First please read below the latest compound versions we make, we have changed compounds many times through the years in fact most compounds get changed at least once a year in response to feedback. We make all our pads in the UK and respond and listen to customers, please dont treat us like a bunch of t w a t s which some of forum posts insinuate, we are Britains largest and finest manufacturer of pads and rotors and unlike others we still make our pads here,and have NOT run off the Eastern block or China to make stuff cheaper like ALL our competitors have done.
If you look on the box end labels you will see the material codes and this tells you if you have the latest materials or old stuff......ASK your retailer for these material codes.
Latest Greenstuff is AF 44/69 resin changed to produce a softer pad with less noise and slightly more grip appropriate for cars below 200BHP and not for racing at all, unless on very light cars like Caterhams and hillclimbs etc
Latest Redstuff is AF88/67 and just recently shanged to AF88/71 these two mods were made to OFFSET disc scoring reported on EVO's and reduce dust and noise at very low speeds. Only for fast street and NEVER for racing as life not up to it on a track.
Latest Yellowstuff is DM 1793 and DM 1846 which has been around for a year and is used on all UK Police chase cars and race use and adopted by Silverstone on their Elise's and Porsche fleet yet is fully streetable and a brilliant pad. The 1846 is fine for street but track work should always now use the 1793 version and that is what Silverstone use.
Then please guys ALWAYS read our website,we have our own webmaster,update the site daily and lots of good info on there.
Hope this is of use to those of you interested in a solution rather than making wild and unfair comments based on bad advice you may have received.
Please appreciate it is difficult for us or anyone to educate hundreds of stockists with turnover of staff and sometimes they even get it wrong,thanks guys
I am to say the least dissappointed that there is such a misconception about our Green and other ranges of pads and want to put this straight.
First please read below the latest compound versions we make, we have changed compounds many times through the years in fact most compounds get changed at least once a year in response to feedback. We make all our pads in the UK and respond and listen to customers, please dont treat us like a bunch of t w a t s which some of forum posts insinuate, we are Britains largest and finest manufacturer of pads and rotors and unlike others we still make our pads here,and have NOT run off the Eastern block or China to make stuff cheaper like ALL our competitors have done.
If you look on the box end labels you will see the material codes and this tells you if you have the latest materials or old stuff......ASK your retailer for these material codes.
Latest Greenstuff is AF 44/69 resin changed to produce a softer pad with less noise and slightly more grip appropriate for cars below 200BHP and not for racing at all, unless on very light cars like Caterhams and hillclimbs etc
Latest Redstuff is AF88/67 and just recently shanged to AF88/71 these two mods were made to OFFSET disc scoring reported on EVO's and reduce dust and noise at very low speeds. Only for fast street and NEVER for racing as life not up to it on a track.
Latest Yellowstuff is DM 1793 and DM 1846 which has been around for a year and is used on all UK Police chase cars and race use and adopted by Silverstone on their Elise's and Porsche fleet yet is fully streetable and a brilliant pad. The 1846 is fine for street but track work should always now use the 1793 version and that is what Silverstone use.
Then please guys ALWAYS read our website,we have our own webmaster,update the site daily and lots of good info on there.
Hope this is of use to those of you interested in a solution rather than making wild and unfair comments based on bad advice you may have received.
Please appreciate it is difficult for us or anyone to educate hundreds of stockists with turnover of staff and sometimes they even get it wrong,thanks guys
Andy Freeman said:
First please read below the latest compound versions we make, we have changed compounds many times through the years in fact most compounds get changed at least once a year in response to feedback.
Therein lies your problem.People will try (for example) Greenstuff pads and dismiss it. The name remains the same, so people are reluctant to try it again - yet the compound has changed.
As a consumer (often ordering over the web) how can I tell that I have the latest version of the pad..?
By the way
If any of you have any questions on EBC give us a call at EBC on 01604 583344 and ask for Bob or Andrew B who will try to help you
Bob is an accomplished navigator in road rallying and a certified Race Marshall,Andrew B is a pretty keen classic Formula Ford racer with a quattro on the road and has been evaluating and talking about EBC goodies for years.
We are here to help if you think you have the wrong bits or getting fobbed off folks
Thanks for the biz from all loyal EBC customers, we do manage to sell 16,000 sets of sport brakes a month in the UK so we cant be all bad wink and were grateful for that following .We got approved by Silverstone recently, now OE on Morgan and OES on Lotus and the only brand I know to have passed the Metropolitan Police chase car test which is WAYYY more tough than simple R 90 testing, includes pedal travel,fade,wear life and temperatures up to 1000 C reached in the test, they went for yellows and Grooved rotors which brought brake temps down 100 degress with the air pull-through.
Thanks Andy
If any of you have any questions on EBC give us a call at EBC on 01604 583344 and ask for Bob or Andrew B who will try to help you
Bob is an accomplished navigator in road rallying and a certified Race Marshall,Andrew B is a pretty keen classic Formula Ford racer with a quattro on the road and has been evaluating and talking about EBC goodies for years.
We are here to help if you think you have the wrong bits or getting fobbed off folks
Thanks for the biz from all loyal EBC customers, we do manage to sell 16,000 sets of sport brakes a month in the UK so we cant be all bad wink and were grateful for that following .We got approved by Silverstone recently, now OE on Morgan and OES on Lotus and the only brand I know to have passed the Metropolitan Police chase car test which is WAYYY more tough than simple R 90 testing, includes pedal travel,fade,wear life and temperatures up to 1000 C reached in the test, they went for yellows and Grooved rotors which brought brake temps down 100 degress with the air pull-through.
Thanks Andy
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