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rebuilding the suspension on the chim and doing a few jobs at the same time including replacing the front pads.
ordered 'road use' pads from local supplier at the start of the week and picked them up today.
after getting back to the office i checked the pads and they are the right fitment (94 chim with 240mm discs - ford escort, fiesta, etc) but they are the yellow type - i was expecting green stuff?
The box states 'yellow stuff 4000 series for closed circuit racing (can be used for highway)'.
checked on the EBC website and its seems to suggest that the pads work in all conditions including from cold and seem to suggest that they perform better than all their other products...?
should i take them back and get the green stuff or try them out? anyone running them and if so what are they like?
thanks in advance
ordered 'road use' pads from local supplier at the start of the week and picked them up today.
after getting back to the office i checked the pads and they are the right fitment (94 chim with 240mm discs - ford escort, fiesta, etc) but they are the yellow type - i was expecting green stuff?
The box states 'yellow stuff 4000 series for closed circuit racing (can be used for highway)'.
checked on the EBC website and its seems to suggest that the pads work in all conditions including from cold and seem to suggest that they perform better than all their other products...?
should i take them back and get the green stuff or try them out? anyone running them and if so what are they like?
thanks in advance
I have no experience of yellow stuff specifically but the situation with EBC seems to be getting quite complicated. I use green stuff on most of our fleet and have been pretty happy with them. However I tried ordering them for the M3 but EBC only suppply red or above for that fitment, based on their perception of type of use / performance I expect. I was also told that the spec of the pad is varied according to the application so that not all green stuff (or whatever ) are exactly the same material. I am not sure how true that is but that is what I was told by my supplier whom I have no reason to doubt.
The TVR is a light car (barely over 100kg) so even when being driven hard it is not going to generate huge brake temepratures, say like a 1700kg saloon car being thrashed, so using competition type brake material may result in the pads not getting up to temperature in normal use. I have found the greens excellent throughout track days - being caned lap after lap, in fact they feel much better once working hard. When they are stone cold they can feel a bit dead.
The big advantage of the green compound otherwise is the drastically reduced dust generated (which with my wheels is a distinct bonus cos they are a real PITA to clean properly).
The TVR is a light car (barely over 100kg) so even when being driven hard it is not going to generate huge brake temepratures, say like a 1700kg saloon car being thrashed, so using competition type brake material may result in the pads not getting up to temperature in normal use. I have found the greens excellent throughout track days - being caned lap after lap, in fact they feel much better once working hard. When they are stone cold they can feel a bit dead.
The big advantage of the green compound otherwise is the drastically reduced dust generated (which with my wheels is a distinct bonus cos they are a real PITA to clean properly).
Edited by Tahiti450 on Friday 22 February 13:31
Some interesting info on their website ..
Seems to be suggesting they have better charisteristics than green stuff yet wea r the disc less, brake better etc..
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/yellowstuffinfo.html
Although a full race material and capable of high temperature use with very good wear life, this new formulation sets a new trend in race type brake pad compounds that can be used on the highway. The “bite” from cold is superb which is uncommon with race materials (normally requiring warm-up) and makes this a pad which can be safely used on both street and track. This new formulation has been used by numerous championship race and rally drivers and is truly a milestone in brake pad material development. Nominal friction coefficient 0.5 with zero rotor damage and similar dust to original pads.
Many part numbers now carry ECE R90 approval. Check with our technical department on technical@ebcbrakesuk.com to confirm if this material is street legal for your model when using for highway driving within Europe where regulation 90 applies. Outside Europe just fit and enjoy, these pads are the grippiest and most impressive pads that you will have ever used. Click here for more information about ECE R90 brake safety regulations.
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/greenstuffinfo.html
General spirited street driving.
Designed for premium street driving offering better brake effect up to 600°C (1100°F). EBC Greenstuff has a high initial brake effect and gives drivers confidence from first application of the brake pedal. There is no such thing as a NO DUST pad. The very nature of how a brake works requires that some dust be generated to avoid rotor vibration (shimmying). The EBC pad creates less dust and dust is more easily washed off than most. All pads create more dust as they are bedding in especially if rotors are worn. Nominal friction coefficient 0.55. For heavier faster cars and vehicles above 200bhp we strongly recommend Redstuff which DOES offer much less dust.
The entire green range is approved to ECE R90 for highway use. For more details on ECE R90 (Regulation 90 brake safety standard) click here.
Seems to be suggesting they have better charisteristics than green stuff yet wea r the disc less, brake better etc..
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/yellowstuffinfo.html
Although a full race material and capable of high temperature use with very good wear life, this new formulation sets a new trend in race type brake pad compounds that can be used on the highway. The “bite” from cold is superb which is uncommon with race materials (normally requiring warm-up) and makes this a pad which can be safely used on both street and track. This new formulation has been used by numerous championship race and rally drivers and is truly a milestone in brake pad material development. Nominal friction coefficient 0.5 with zero rotor damage and similar dust to original pads.
Many part numbers now carry ECE R90 approval. Check with our technical department on technical@ebcbrakesuk.com to confirm if this material is street legal for your model when using for highway driving within Europe where regulation 90 applies. Outside Europe just fit and enjoy, these pads are the grippiest and most impressive pads that you will have ever used. Click here for more information about ECE R90 brake safety regulations.
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/greenstuffinfo.html
General spirited street driving.
Designed for premium street driving offering better brake effect up to 600°C (1100°F). EBC Greenstuff has a high initial brake effect and gives drivers confidence from first application of the brake pedal. There is no such thing as a NO DUST pad. The very nature of how a brake works requires that some dust be generated to avoid rotor vibration (shimmying). The EBC pad creates less dust and dust is more easily washed off than most. All pads create more dust as they are bedding in especially if rotors are worn. Nominal friction coefficient 0.55. For heavier faster cars and vehicles above 200bhp we strongly recommend Redstuff which DOES offer much less dust.
The entire green range is approved to ECE R90 for highway use. For more details on ECE R90 (Regulation 90 brake safety standard) click here.
Just did a search on the EBC direct site and it returns these for the Chim :
http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/car/parts_pad.asp?p...
An original pad spec and the upgrade - which is now only yellow.. no sign of green..
Perhaps they consider it superior and the green will be phased out..
http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/car/parts_pad.asp?p...
An original pad spec and the upgrade - which is now only yellow.. no sign of green..
Perhaps they consider it superior and the green will be phased out..
I've got the new Red Stuff and they seem good, they do take a little warming up but very good on road and track days, I've got about 6000 miles on them and 5 or 6 track days and they are still fine, plenty left.
Only thing I don't like is the break dust on the wheels, I heard Green are better for this so might give them a try
Only thing I don't like is the break dust on the wheels, I heard Green are better for this so might give them a try
When i did my research red or yellow were listed not green.
Ive had the red for about a year f/r the only problem is when the cars cold the pedal takes time to bite once warmed up there great.
Yellow ones were for track and fast road use.Where you can drive the car fast on our roads is a different story.
If your asking for a opinion swap them for red.
Paul
Ive had the red for about a year f/r the only problem is when the cars cold the pedal takes time to bite once warmed up there great.
Yellow ones were for track and fast road use.Where you can drive the car fast on our roads is a different story.
If your asking for a opinion swap them for red.
Paul
Overhere said:
I've got the new Red Stuff and they seem good,
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Only thing I don't like is the break dust on the wheels, I heard Green are better for this so might give them a try
Yup, ...............
Only thing I don't like is the break dust on the wheels, I heard Green are better for this so might give them a try
the red stuff Im using on the M3 seems to produce about as much nasty (hard to remove) dust as the OE pads (and that's with the wife driving as opposed to my rather more aggressive style), the Green stuff in my experience generates much less and what there is comes off much more easily.Yup, the red stuff Im using on the M3 seems to produce about as much nasty (hard to remove) dust as the OE pads (and that's with the wife driving as opposed to my rather more aggressive style), the Green stuff in my experience generates much less and what there is comes off much more easily.
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Thanks guys - might call EBC and see if they have any advice..?
the red stuff Im using on the M3 seems to produce about as much nasty (hard to remove) dust as the OE pads (and that's with the wife driving as opposed to my rather more aggressive style), the Green stuff in my experience generates much less and what there is comes off much more easily.[/quote]
Thanks guys - might call EBC and see if they have any advice..?
Hi Guys
We use EBC Yellow pads fitted to our SC450 supercharged Chimeara. These were specified as we subject our cars to extensive track use, the pads are good showing asignificant improvement over standard pads. They are also low noise having no squeel and on no occasion over heated the front disks to generate distortion or cause vibration. They are pretty good. Reason they dont specify them as road use is that due to the the pad life may be less than service intervals of 6000 miles, so if you fit them you will need to check them for wear. I believe the Green pads are slightly harder compound and do last through 6000 mile service intervals. Any doubts call EBC.
We have found MIntex pads to be far better, but these do somteimes squeel.
We use EBC Yellow pads fitted to our SC450 supercharged Chimeara. These were specified as we subject our cars to extensive track use, the pads are good showing asignificant improvement over standard pads. They are also low noise having no squeel and on no occasion over heated the front disks to generate distortion or cause vibration. They are pretty good. Reason they dont specify them as road use is that due to the the pad life may be less than service intervals of 6000 miles, so if you fit them you will need to check them for wear. I believe the Green pads are slightly harder compound and do last through 6000 mile service intervals. Any doubts call EBC.
We have found MIntex pads to be far better, but these do somteimes squeel.
WazzaL said:
I had yellow stuff fitted to my previous car.
From my understanding:
Green - Fast Road Use
Red - Track use (as needs high temps to operate well)
Yellow - Lower temp than Red but doesn't take so long to operate fully. So more in the middle and surprisingly expensive...
Think I will give the yellow ones a go - paid £48 for front pads...? Dont know how that compares with other prices?From my understanding:
Green - Fast Road Use
Red - Track use (as needs high temps to operate well)
Yellow - Lower temp than Red but doesn't take so long to operate fully. So more in the middle and surprisingly expensive...
One of the presumbly standard pads came apart as it was removed - the pad material came away from the metal part!!
Will heed warning about wear rate and keep an eye on them. I do about 3000 mile a year and seem to be reasonalby gentle on braking judging from the brake wear on a number of previous cars...read into that what you want - must be going too slowly!
I am fitting new front discs, the new pads and stainless hoses so direct comparisons with the brakes before will be difficult..?
Thanks again for the responses.
peteA said:
WazzaL said:
I am fitting new front discs, the new pads and stainless hoses so direct comparisons with the brakes before will be difficult..?
Thanks again for the responses.
Don't forget to bed them in for the first 100 miles .. gradually increasing the brake pressure as the miles go on.. I always find it helps.Thanks again for the responses.
Hello from Andy Freeman the owner of EBC Brakes.
I am to say the least dissappointed that there is such a misconception about our Green and other ranges of pads and want to put this straight.
First please read below the latest compound versions we make, we have changed compounds many times through the years in fact most compounds get changed at least once a year in response to feedback. We make all our pads in the UK and respond and listen to customers, please dont treat us like a bunch of t w a t s which some of forum posts insinuate, we are Britains largest and finest manufacturer of pads and rotors and unlike others we still make our pads here,and have NOT run off the Eastern block or China to make stuff cheaper like ALL our competitors have done.
If you look on the box end labels you will see the material codes and this tells you if you have the latest materials or old stuff......ASK your retailer for these material codes.
Latest Greenstuff is AF 44/69 resin changed to produce a softer pad with less noise and slightly more grip appropriate for cars below 200BHP and not for racing at all, unless on very light cars like Caterhams and hillclimbs etc
Latest Redstuff is AF88/67 and just recently shanged to AF88/71 these two mods were made to OFFSET disc scoring reported on EVO's and reduce dust and noise at very low speeds. Only for fast street and NEVER for racing as life not up to it on a track.
Latest Yellowstuff is DM 1793 and DM 1846 which has been around for a year and is used on all UK Police chase cars and race use and adopted by Silverstone on their Elise's and Porsche fleet yet is fully streetable and a brilliant pad. The 1846 is fine for street but track work should always now use the 1793 version and that is what Silverstone use.
Then please guys ALWAYS read our website,we have our own webmaster,update the site daily and lots of good info on there.
Hope this is of use to those of you interested in a solution rather than making wild and unfair comments based on bad advice you may have received.
Please appreciate it is difficult for us or anyone to educate hundreds of stockists with turnover of staff and sometimes they even get it wrong,thanks guys
I am to say the least dissappointed that there is such a misconception about our Green and other ranges of pads and want to put this straight.
First please read below the latest compound versions we make, we have changed compounds many times through the years in fact most compounds get changed at least once a year in response to feedback. We make all our pads in the UK and respond and listen to customers, please dont treat us like a bunch of t w a t s which some of forum posts insinuate, we are Britains largest and finest manufacturer of pads and rotors and unlike others we still make our pads here,and have NOT run off the Eastern block or China to make stuff cheaper like ALL our competitors have done.
If you look on the box end labels you will see the material codes and this tells you if you have the latest materials or old stuff......ASK your retailer for these material codes.
Latest Greenstuff is AF 44/69 resin changed to produce a softer pad with less noise and slightly more grip appropriate for cars below 200BHP and not for racing at all, unless on very light cars like Caterhams and hillclimbs etc
Latest Redstuff is AF88/67 and just recently shanged to AF88/71 these two mods were made to OFFSET disc scoring reported on EVO's and reduce dust and noise at very low speeds. Only for fast street and NEVER for racing as life not up to it on a track.
Latest Yellowstuff is DM 1793 and DM 1846 which has been around for a year and is used on all UK Police chase cars and race use and adopted by Silverstone on their Elise's and Porsche fleet yet is fully streetable and a brilliant pad. The 1846 is fine for street but track work should always now use the 1793 version and that is what Silverstone use.
Then please guys ALWAYS read our website,we have our own webmaster,update the site daily and lots of good info on there.
Hope this is of use to those of you interested in a solution rather than making wild and unfair comments based on bad advice you may have received.
Please appreciate it is difficult for us or anyone to educate hundreds of stockists with turnover of staff and sometimes they even get it wrong,thanks guys
please dont treat us like a bunch of t w a t s - hope you dont think that was the intention of the post...just wanted to know that the yellow stuff would be OK fopr road use.
Cant comment on other peoples posts - guess thats the idea of this being an open forum? think the confusion is about what the different colours represent now?
As way of an update on my chim...
Havent done a huge mileage on the new yellow stuff pads yet and havent really leaned on them yet but the main reason for the post was the performance when cold - the pads are fine. No noise. No excessive pedal pressure required. good performance straight from the garage! Extremely happy so far.
Cant comment on other peoples posts - guess thats the idea of this being an open forum? think the confusion is about what the different colours represent now?
As way of an update on my chim...
Havent done a huge mileage on the new yellow stuff pads yet and havent really leaned on them yet but the main reason for the post was the performance when cold - the pads are fine. No noise. No excessive pedal pressure required. good performance straight from the garage! Extremely happy so far.
Andy,
Whilst you are here then, which pads would be most suitable for Chim/Griff owners..
Assuming most people on here want the car for fast road and maybe the occassional track.
Is it best to go for Red or Yellow stuff? - Or it is not as easy as that.
p.s. I don't think anyone on THIS forum would suggest you lot are "a bunch of T W A T S". Just trying to understand your range better. - You saying that will only cause people to look elsewhere. All IMO of course.
Good to see you responding to such a thread though.
Whilst you are here then, which pads would be most suitable for Chim/Griff owners..
Assuming most people on here want the car for fast road and maybe the occassional track.
Is it best to go for Red or Yellow stuff? - Or it is not as easy as that.
p.s. I don't think anyone on THIS forum would suggest you lot are "a bunch of T W A T S". Just trying to understand your range better. - You saying that will only cause people to look elsewhere. All IMO of course.
Good to see you responding to such a thread though.
I think Mr Freeman has read a number of different threads regarding EBC pads and become irritated at some of the misinformed posts, resulting in him posting his response to any thread which has a mention of EBC in it. Tw*ts probably is a bit strong but I think he's only fighting his corner.
Just my two peneth.
Just my two peneth.
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