Honda S2 Elise vs. VX220 2.2 S/C
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As per subject really. I had got my heart set on a Honda-powered S2 Elise, but a bit of reading suggests the VX220 may be a better alternative?
There's about £5k price difference in the Vauxhall's favour. Weight is very similar, and the Vauxhall has a 10% power advantage. £5k buys a lot of nice bits to go on the Vauxhall!
I am not bothered about badge image, and both cars look good in my eyes. The car would be used as a second car for occasional journeys, with a fair bit of track work.
Has anyone driven both; how do they compare?
There's about £5k price difference in the Vauxhall's favour. Weight is very similar, and the Vauxhall has a 10% power advantage. £5k buys a lot of nice bits to go on the Vauxhall!
I am not bothered about badge image, and both cars look good in my eyes. The car would be used as a second car for occasional journeys, with a fair bit of track work.
Has anyone driven both; how do they compare?
edb49 said:
As per subject really. I had got my heart set on a Honda-powered S2 Elise, but a bit of reading suggests the VX220 may be a better alternative?
There's about £5k price difference in the Vauxhall's favour. Weight is very similar, and the Vauxhall has a 10% power advantage. £5k buys a lot of nice bits to go on the Vauxhall!
I am not bothered about badge image, and both cars look good in my eyes. The car would be used as a second car for occasional journeys, with a fair bit of track work.
Has anyone driven both; how do they compare?
LOLThere's about £5k price difference in the Vauxhall's favour. Weight is very similar, and the Vauxhall has a 10% power advantage. £5k buys a lot of nice bits to go on the Vauxhall!
I am not bothered about badge image, and both cars look good in my eyes. The car would be used as a second car for occasional journeys, with a fair bit of track work.
Has anyone driven both; how do they compare?
where did you get the weight and power infro from (as both are way off)?
Oh and BTW, VX220 is 2.2NA or 2.0 Turbo, NOT supercharged....
Edited by Scuffers on Sunday 24th February 17:40
VX220 2.2 NA is 860kg
Elise S2 is 850kg
(Just got those from searching on the web, let me know if I'm miles off!)
A quick look on www.vx220.org.uk shows the supercharger upgrade on the 2.2 NA gives you around 240bhp. The same on here for the Honda engine shows around 220bhp.
Elise S2 is 850kg
(Just got those from searching on the web, let me know if I'm miles off!)
A quick look on www.vx220.org.uk shows the supercharger upgrade on the 2.2 NA gives you around 240bhp. The same on here for the Honda engine shows around 220bhp.
edb49 said:
VX220 2.2 NA is 860kg
Elise S2 is 850kg
(Just got those from searching on the web, let me know if I'm miles off!)
A quick look on www.vx220.org.uk shows the supercharger upgrade on the 2.2 NA gives you around 240bhp. The same on here for the Honda engine shows around 220bhp.
here in likes you first mistake...Elise S2 is 850kg
(Just got those from searching on the web, let me know if I'm miles off!)
A quick look on www.vx220.org.uk shows the supercharger upgrade on the 2.2 NA gives you around 240bhp. The same on here for the Honda engine shows around 220bhp.
Elise S2 with a TOYOTA engine may well be 850Kg's, but the ROVER engines ones (which have been converted to Honda power) are more like 750-770Kg's.
Can't comment on a SC VX as I have never seen one or even heard about one.
edb49 said:
OK... so plugging these new numbers in:
The cars seem to be very evenly matched, but the VX is £5k cheaper.
maybe on paper, wait till you put them together.... not even remotly close...| Car | Weight | BHP | Power to weight | Cost |
| Elise S2 Honda | 760kg | 220bhp | 289/tonne | ~£20k |
| VX 220 2.2 S/C | 860kg | 250bhp | 290/tonne | ~£15k |
The cars seem to be very evenly matched, but the VX is £5k cheaper.
Scuffers said:
edb49 said:
OK... so plugging these new numbers in:
The cars seem to be very evenly matched, but the VX is £5k cheaper.
maybe on paper, wait till you put them together.... not even remotly close...| Car | Weight | BHP | Power to weight | Cost |
| Elise S2 Honda | 760kg | 220bhp | 289/tonne | ~£20k |
| VX 220 2.2 S/C | 860kg | 250bhp | 290/tonne | ~£15k |
The cars seem to be very evenly matched, but the VX is £5k cheaper.
To the OP - as you will have seen on VX220.org those that have the SC conversion on the VX really rate it and at least one of those owners is offering pax rides if you PM them. Do the same for Honda'd Elise owners on here or SELOC and make an educated choice from there..
Strugs said:
Wow! From not knowing there was a SC conversion for the VX to declaring an outright victory for an Elise in just a few hours! Impressive.. Who'd've thought it on the Elise forum..?
To the OP - as you will have seen on VX220.org those that have the SC conversion on the VX really rate it and at least one of those owners is offering pax rides if you PM them. Do the same for Honda'd Elise owners on here or SELOC and make an educated choice from there..
GLOL!To the OP - as you will have seen on VX220.org those that have the SC conversion on the VX really rate it and at least one of those owners is offering pax rides if you PM them. Do the same for Honda'd Elise owners on here or SELOC and make an educated choice from there..
Look, considring that I (amongst others) actually race Elises, and the only VX's that have raced have been against us, I think I am probably in the rare possition to know.
if they (the SC ones) make 240-250Bhp, then they will get slaughtered buy an Honda Elise, period.
try looking up some timesheets for LOT Elise Trophy last year, the 300+ Bhp Turbo VX was just slow, period.
Edited by Scuffers on Sunday 24th February 22:10
Scuffers said:
try looking up some timesheets for LOT Elise Trophy last year, the 300+ Bhp Turbo VX was just slow, period.
lol not it didn't it couldn't finish a race without melting somting in the engine bay, not to mention the the weight penalty of the Turbo Iron block + a full cage vs the A frames the elises got to run.But I do agree that in racing the extra 100kg the VX has will mean it's not as quick round the track at 100%, however it'll be closer than you think as the torque curve is flat on the VX SC.
Winstar said:
Scuffers said:
try looking up some timesheets for LOT Elise Trophy last year, the 300+ Bhp Turbo VX was just slow, period.
lol not it didn't it couldn't finish a race without melting somting in the engine bay, not to mention the the weight penalty of the Turbo Iron block + a full cage vs the A frames the elises got to run.But I do agree that in racing the extra 100kg the VX has will mean it's not as quick round the track at 100%, however it'll be closer than you think as the torque curve is flat on the VX SC.
your dreaming if you think that, LOT runs to a power to weight, Thorney's car was not that much more than others out there.
Long and short of it, I'll put £100 on nobody being able to match the pace of me in a Honda Elise with a VX *anything* on any cct.
Edited by Scuffers on Sunday 24th February 22:40
Scuffers said:
your dreaming if you think that, LOT runs to a power to weight, Thorney's car was not that much more than others out there.
Long and short of it, I'll put £100 on nobody being able to match the pace of a Honda Elise with a VX *anything* on any cct.
I wasn't defending them, they were the wrong cars, wrong drivers, wrong team but I'll not say anymore in case I get accused of Thorney bashing, again.Long and short of it, I'll put £100 on nobody being able to match the pace of a Honda Elise with a VX *anything* on any cct.
However I do think you under estimate the SC VX, the extra torque will make a difference to an average driver.
As for any VX on any Circuit, there's not many people in any car that can do the ring like Ricky2772 in his SC VX.
Winstar said:
Scuffers said:
your dreaming if you think that, LOT runs to a power to weight, Thorney's car was not that much more than others out there.
Long and short of it, I'll put £100 on nobody being able to match the pace of a Honda Elise with a VX *anything* on any cct.
I wasn't defending them, they were the wrong cars, wrong drivers, wrong team but I'll not say anymore in case I get accused of Thorney bashing, again.Long and short of it, I'll put £100 on nobody being able to match the pace of a Honda Elise with a VX *anything* on any cct.
However I do think you under estimate the SC VX, the extra torque will make a difference to an average driver.
As for any VX on any Circuit, there's not many people in any car that can do the ring like Ricky2772 in his SC VX.
OK, was thinking a UK cct, but I'll take the ring - just takes a bit longer to organise...
over to you....
The Honda'd Elise will be more upgradeable - you can easily supercharge that if you want to giving something like 300bhp for little extra weight.
Without knowing what the engine characteristics of the VX lump are, it's difficult to say how they'll compare on the road but I agree that the VX is likely to be slower on the track simply because of its weight (and CoG) disadvantage.
Without knowing what the engine characteristics of the VX lump are, it's difficult to say how they'll compare on the road but I agree that the VX is likely to be slower on the track simply because of its weight (and CoG) disadvantage.
edb49 said:
Well I didn't mean to start a willy-waving contest about who is quicker around which tracks. 
At face value the VX220 is better value if you're going to be happy with ~300bhp/tonne and don't want to do the supercharger upgrade on the Honda lump.
I little biased here I know, but an NA Honda elise will be 300 bhp/tonne or more and then there is still the extra scope to go for the supercharger at some point. As already stated it'll be quicker and in my opinion, looks better too.At face value the VX220 is better value if you're going to be happy with ~300bhp/tonne and don't want to do the supercharger upgrade on the Honda lump.
Scuffers said:
Elise S2 with a TOYOTA engine may well be 850Kg's, but the ROVER engines ones (which have been converted to Honda power) are more like 750-770Kg's.
750-770kg perhaps without any fluids. The Honda S2s that have been on the scale overhere (and reviewed by Magazines) are no less than 820kg, unless we are speaking about additional weight savings here and there.Phil-CH said:
Scuffers said:
Elise S2 with a TOYOTA engine may well be 850Kg's, but the ROVER engines ones (which have been converted to Honda power) are more like 750-770Kg's.
750-770kg perhaps without any fluids. The Honda S2s that have been on the scale overhere (and reviewed by Magazines) are no less than 820kg, unless we are speaking about additional weight savings here and there.that said, the post above (badly writen in hind sight) was quoting the std weights of the Rover engined cars as made, NA Honda install is about +18Kg's like for like.
S2 wise, we have plenty running about here that are well under 800Kg's, ig you want to go mad, we also have some NA honda's under 700Kg's.
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