Hashed off white zones in the centre of A roads?
Hashed off white zones in the centre of A roads?
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hornetrider

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63,161 posts

236 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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Not the best thread title ever so apologies for that hehe

I've noticed a few of these areas springing up in the last few years and am unsure of the law relating to them.

Example - if they are there to stop overtaking, white not just use solid double whites? I've noticed they are quite often on wide bits of road where it would be completely safe to go for an overtake.

What's the reasoning, can anyone shed light?

TrevorH

1,359 posts

315 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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They're there to discourage overtaking and to keep a good gap between opposing traffic streams.
They also collect all the crap that would otherwise be swept off the road and present a growing hazard to those nasty overtakers who might wish to travel faster than the sheep.

pdV6

16,442 posts

292 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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The advantage is that (as long as the edges are dotted and not solid) you can overtake legally whilst the plodders are herded away from the centre of the road.

The disadvantage is a slippery painted surface made worse by road crud collecting there, as noted above.

F i F

49,010 posts

282 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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Fair and accurate comments above.

I'll add one more thing as people have been caught by this. White paint doth not a central reservation make! Thus the road is not a dual carriageway.

A number of people, inlcuding some on PH have been on roads with, say, two lanes in each direction separated by a central hatched area surrounded by continuous white lines.

The road is still classed as single carriageway and thus the higher NSL limits do not apply.

Some speed camera pratnerships deliberately target such roads in order to up their income detection rate. rolleyes

bigdods

7,175 posts

258 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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They are there to move the traffic streams further apart. As long as they have a dotted edge not solid then you can overtake. I know this from my wifes experience a few years back. Solid traffic queue waiting to turn left, hashed area with dashed lines outside it leading up to a right turn only lane. Mrs overtakes the line of cars within the limit (30, and she was being careful doing about 15 ish) while indicating right , gets to the right turn bit and muppet in the left lane decides to turn right without indicating or checking their mirror. Muppet gets really arsey, blames my Mrs or overtakig where its not allowed. They then bolt off to the nearest plod shop to complain. The result ? Plod not interested as its the muppets mistake. Insurance give my Mrs no fault found, legal boys jump on muppet who ends up paying my Mrs her excess back and we dont lose any no claims.

I suspect the majority of drivers think it means no overtaking.

streaky

19,311 posts

280 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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bigdods said:
They are there to move the traffic streams further apart. As long as they have a dotted edge not solid then you can overtake. I know this from my wifes experience a few years back.

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I suspect the majority of drivers think it means no overtaking.
It does not mean "no overtaking", but an unbroken line does not mean no overtaking either. A broken line may be crossed, an unbroken line may not be crossed (except certain limited purposes and circumstances) - Streaky

bmwdrivernigel

8,596 posts

255 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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I was stopped by an unfriendly Bib a couple of weeks ago for overtaking on the 'hatchings' ( A30 Sunningdale to Bagshot for those that know it ) and was told I would be reported, let him give his little talk and when I asked him what part of the overtake was illegal he pointed to the centre section and said I wasnt allowed to enter the marked area. I think he learnt a little that day once I pointed out the error of his ways. And very nicely he checked all my tyres for me and ensured my RFL was in date too afterwards. grumpycensored

Fort Jefferson

8,237 posts

253 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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Stay out of them, they're for motorbikes to overtake.wink

fluffnik

20,156 posts

258 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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hornetrider said:
What's the reasoning, can anyone shed light?
No reasoning, just the mindless twuntery of parasitic jobsworths.

The real problem is that we employ too many people in non-jobs who have to do something in case they're rumbled.

They should be redeployed to filling potholes, I care not whether as labour or aggregate, or similar useful tasks.

...or possibly just plain sacked.

Less government, less expense, less grief - what's not to like?

fluffnik

20,156 posts

258 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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bmwdrivernigel said:
I was stopped by an unfriendly Bib a couple of weeks ago for overtaking on the 'hatchings' ( A30 Sunningdale to Bagshot for those that know it ) and was told I would be reported, let him give his little talk and when I asked him what part of the overtake was illegal he pointed to the centre section and said I wasnt allowed to enter the marked area. I think he learnt a little that day once I pointed out the error of his ways. And very nicely he checked all my tyres for me and ensured my RFL was in date too afterwards. grumpycensored
Formal complaint made I trust.

bmwdrivernigel

8,596 posts

255 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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fluffnik said:
bmwdrivernigel said:
I was stopped by an unfriendly Bib a couple of weeks ago for overtaking on the 'hatchings' ( A30 Sunningdale to Bagshot for those that know it ) and was told I would be reported, let him give his little talk and when I asked him what part of the overtake was illegal he pointed to the centre section and said I wasnt allowed to enter the marked area. I think he learnt a little that day once I pointed out the error of his ways. And very nicely he checked all my tyres for me and ensured my RFL was in date too afterwards. grumpycensored
Formal complaint made I trust.
No, I use that route most days, was driving one of my company cars, so I dont fancy the 'inconvenience' every time one of my guys is stopped.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

258 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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bmwdrivernigel said:
No, I use that route most days, was driving one of my company cars, so I dont fancy the 'inconvenience' every time one of my guys is stopped.
It really is time to transfer control of the police to a Property Holders Watch Committee...

Hooli

32,278 posts

231 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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Fort Jefferson said:
Stay out of them, they're for motorbikes to overtake.wink
yesthumbuphehe

hornetrider

Original Poster:

63,161 posts

236 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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Cheers for the feedback peeps. Have to say I usually use them for overtakes as they do appear to be numpty levellers - was just worried I was breaking the law... all is well!!

CorsaScott

170 posts

228 months

Monday 25th February 2008
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bmwdrivernigel said:
fluffnik said:
bmwdrivernigel said:
I was stopped by an unfriendly Bib a couple of weeks ago for overtaking on the 'hatchings' ( A30 Sunningdale to Bagshot for those that know it ) and was told I would be reported, let him give his little talk and when I asked him what part of the overtake was illegal he pointed to the centre section and said I wasnt allowed to enter the marked area. I think he learnt a little that day once I pointed out the error of his ways. And very nicely he checked all my tyres for me and ensured my RFL was in date too afterwards. grumpycensored
Formal complaint made I trust.
No, I use that route most days, was driving one of my company cars, so I dont fancy the 'inconvenience' every time one of my guys is stopped.
And if angry plod keeps pulling you and your guys over, you launch a formal complaint and get them for harrasement.

F i F

49,010 posts

282 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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...and yet another thread where somebody asks a sensible question ends up as plod bashing. It's beyond just getting tedious. rolleyes


flemke

23,515 posts

268 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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F i F said:
...and yet another thread where somebody asks a sensible question ends up as plod bashing. It's beyond just getting tedious. rolleyes
Nobody's doing any "bashing". A poster commented that a constable pulled him and then chastised him for having done precisely what the OP was asking about. In this case, the problem was that the constable was ignorant of the law that he himself was presuming to enforce.
It is hardly "bashing" to object to that.

bmwdrivernigel

8,596 posts

255 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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F i F said:
...and yet another thread where somebody asks a sensible question ends up as plod bashing. It's beyond just getting tedious. rolleyes
My intention was not to Bib bash, but to point out that everyone can make mistakes. If I had been in the wrong then I would have accepted the punishment due, but when the policeman was proved wrong he spent another 15 minutes trying to find something else to 'do' me for which is not right. I have the utmost respect for the police but they also have to earn that respect, in this case the man forfeited that respect.

And it also gets tedious when the Bib on here try to justify actions that are questionable rolleyes

F i F

49,010 posts

282 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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flemke said:
F i F said:
...and yet another thread where somebody asks a sensible question ends up as plod bashing. It's beyond just getting tedious. rolleyes
Nobody's doing any "bashing". A poster commented that a constable pulled him and then chastised him for having done precisely what the OP was asking about. In this case, the problem was that the constable was ignorant of the law that he himself was presuming to enforce.
It is hardly "bashing" to object to that.
No I'd agree, but it gets tedious when having raised his point 25% of the thread then goes on a plod bashing incitement to raise a formal complaint. But then that is the ste that is PH these days.

btw nobody is attempting to justify plod's actions, taken on face value purely as the post is written he was wrong and possibly could have handled it differently. One side of the story of course, but is that being an apologist?

Guybrush

4,364 posts

237 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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fluffnik said:
hornetrider said:
What's the reasoning, can anyone shed light?
No reasoning, just the mindless twuntery of parasitic jobsworths.

The real problem is that we employ too many people in non-jobs who have to do something in case they're rumbled.

They should be redeployed to filling potholes, I care not whether as labour or aggregate, or similar useful tasks.

...or possibly just plain sacked.

Less government, less expense, less grief - what's not to like?
Spot on. I could have written that. I just ignore the white paint where possible. Jobsworths don't like wide roads; you mustn't step out of line see.