The end of SVA?
Discussion
I was browsing another website and found this page:
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/loss-of-the-sva-test.htm...
SVA is supposedly going to be replaced with a far more stringent system at the end of '09, in line with the rest of the EU bureaucracy. And we all know what the kit car industry is like in the rest of Europe.....
Anybody heard any more about this?
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/loss-of-the-sva-test.htm...
SVA is supposedly going to be replaced with a far more stringent system at the end of '09, in line with the rest of the EU bureaucracy. And we all know what the kit car industry is like in the rest of Europe.....
Anybody heard any more about this?
How about 1,000 kit cars driving past Parliment, proclaining "Save the British Specialist Car Industry" or something? Unfortunately, bugger all else will probobly work. Mind you, we would all probobly have to do it in Brussels anyway, as they seem to make our rules nowdays, our Parliment is full of freelaoding, fiddling millionaire drunks who are all out for themselves.
Foolish Dave said:
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I really hope this comes to nothing... is there anywhere we can protest this?
It implies that it is inevitable, because it is part and parcel of EU law, but I'm under the impression that we don't automatically assume all the EU laws, but that they have to be 'voted in' by our government.e!I really hope this comes to nothing... is there anywhere we can protest this?
I hope so anyway.
I've never SVA'd a car, but I might want to one day.
odyssey2200 said:
I heard today that the fee is going to double.
If they follow 'Europe' it's likely to be more than that - here it's around 36 seperate tests at €100 each. In the Netherlands, I think cost is calculated as 10% or 15% of the car's value. Edited by LotusNova on Tuesday 26th February 05:36
I think this is a lot of anti EU scaremongering. Before you get on your high horses checkout the DIRECTIVE 2007/46/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 5 September 2007 establishing a framework for the approval of motor vehicles and their trailers, and of systems, components and separate technical units intended for such vehicles
It also appears to require some control of modifications made after approval. Therefore no obtaing SVA of a car without a windscreen, which is attached immediately after the test so no provision of wipers and washers was tested.
If you want to build your own plane it has to be inspected at various stages during the build. I haven't heard about planemakers being up in arms over that.
Directive said:
Community provisions, Member States should continue to be allowed to grant individual approvals in accordance with their national rules.
One thing it will appear to stop is getting SVA approval in the UK and then transferring the car to another EU country.It also appears to require some control of modifications made after approval. Therefore no obtaing SVA of a car without a windscreen, which is attached immediately after the test so no provision of wipers and washers was tested.
If you want to build your own plane it has to be inspected at various stages during the build. I haven't heard about planemakers being up in arms over that.
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I think the SVA is mostly a bit of a joke, but I don't want to kick up a fuss otherwise stuff like this gets thrown back and there's no way a number of current kits will pass an SVA if they are needed after every modification.
There's also the Chavmobiles that won't get tested, but still get driven around - will they be pulled by police, reported to VOSA and made to take an SVA or get the car taken off them? The might of the mob wouldn't like that!
FlossyThePig said:
It also appears to require some control of modifications made after approval. Therefore no obtaing SVA of a car without a windscreen, which is attached immediately after the test so no provision of wipers and washers was tested.
Which means a lot of cars will fail. A lot of them need special light kits to get the lights in the right place, which get taken off straight after the test.I think the SVA is mostly a bit of a joke, but I don't want to kick up a fuss otherwise stuff like this gets thrown back and there's no way a number of current kits will pass an SVA if they are needed after every modification.
There's also the Chavmobiles that won't get tested, but still get driven around - will they be pulled by police, reported to VOSA and made to take an SVA or get the car taken off them? The might of the mob wouldn't like that!
Edited by Foolish Dave on Tuesday 26th February 08:56
FlossyThePig said:
One thing it will appear to stop is getting SVA approval in the UK and then transferring the car to another EU country.
This is what mainland Europe has been doing for the last 10yrs, getting SVA approval in the UK and transferring the car to Italy, Germany, France, Netherlands and so on.....They are trying to stop this, because we have European bureaucrats tryng to play with things they don't know about,just like telling us how long the Banana needs to be, to fit a certain category..
I think a lobbying activity should be undertaken by the kitcar industry as whole, to prevent these bureacrats to ruin it, just as they've done in Italy in the late 60/70.....
The Uk has the sole surviving specialist car industry, and it would be a shame to have it destroyed.
I can see tougher and more stringent rules coming in, and if they follow mainland Europe, pretty soon the industry will be left with only car rebodies, using exhisting car platforms, and not bespoke chassis as it is now with the car industry.
Kitcar manufacturers will be required European Type approval, and it will cost dearly to any small kitcar manufacture to have their cars approved....
If I were a kitcar manufacture, I would be calling all the others to lobby hard in Brussels, trying to keep the laws bearable for the industry.
I hope someone is listening........
Edited by fuoriserie on Tuesday 26th February 14:44
Whilst overall the SVA can only be a good thing in my eyes, there are aspects of it that are stupid. I know people who have turned with with lights that give a perfect beam pattern to fail since the lenses aren't E marked, then turn up with the "correct" lenses only to be told the beam pattern is crap, but they have to pass them since they are E marked. Same goes for tyres. They don't have to have any tread at all, just of the correct size for the wheels and of a suitable speed rating. Similar thing for the sharp edges thing. The leading edge of the exhaust on a 7, for example, won't hurt anyone, as if someone hits it, you've already run them over!!! And you don't need a heat shield either, IIRC, but that slightly pointy edge, oh dear me, that's a fail that is.
FlossyThePig said:
I think this is a lot of anti EU scaremongering. Before you get on your high horses.......
High Horses????Jeez, get an attitude adjustment dude, we're just discussing something that has been put forward as a possible big problem for car builders and modifiers.
In future we'll just PM you when we need to find out the facts about what is happening. Please keep us posted on the detailed minutia of ever changing motoring law, to save people having to put together websites such as the ACE.org
If it is actually true then it is no laughing matter. Assuming the worst, then there will be no hope for the "minnows", and even the bigger players like Caterham will need to invest crazy amounts. Currently they too get around not requiring airbags and ABS ect. somehow. But the ripple effect will hit suppliers, GRP companies and accessory companies. Then the UK motorsport industry will need a rethink. Currently hundreds of kitcars compete. OK, so they may not need to be road registered, but without a road car market many companies who rely on road cars to produce racers will suffer. Certainly many people justify a weekend racecar on the fact they can use it on the road as well.
If it does get into serious debate with the Government then the industry should argue the "Green" case for kit cars. Like most have recycled components ie: engines, which involves no manufacturing pollution. And the simplicity, lightweight resulting in almost diesel-like economy.
I would like to think this will all blow over, but i doubt it knowing our Government and the EU a***licking that goes on.
If this get's pushed through then I think the manufaturers here will not all survive. Some like Westfield will because they will use single donors like the MX5 and transfer all bits including ABS and air bags. What will disapper is the individual made special as there will be less chance of making everything work.
what will change is the costs of the cars, when you compare say a Lotus Elise with a kit car costing say 3/4s of the Lotus what will people buy?
We need to make sure we lobby effectivly and stop this if we can.
what will change is the costs of the cars, when you compare say a Lotus Elise with a kit car costing say 3/4s of the Lotus what will people buy?
We need to make sure we lobby effectivly and stop this if we can.
spaximus said:
If this get's pushed through then I think the manufaturers here will not all survive. Some like Westfield will because they will use single donors like the MX5 and transfer all bits including ABS and air bags. What will disapper is the individual made special as there will be less chance of making everything work.
what will change is the costs of the cars, when you compare say a Lotus Elise with a kit car costing say 3/4s of the Lotus what will people buy?
We need to make sure we lobby effectivly and stop this if we can.
The NSRA (national steed rod association) collated a bunch of info about how many companies survive off the hot rod, modified car, classic car and kit car industry, the related magazines, spares, clothing, after market parts, etc etc. The figures literally go into the £billions a year. what will change is the costs of the cars, when you compare say a Lotus Elise with a kit car costing say 3/4s of the Lotus what will people buy?
We need to make sure we lobby effectivly and stop this if we can.
It was all entered into consultation documents and other heavy stuff and presented to the DVLA bods a year or two back, as part of a staged discussion about things.
Whether that sort of financial turnover makes one iota of difference to the way the government look at things is not yet known.
King Herald said:
spaximus said:
If this get's pushed through then I think the manufaturers here will not all survive. Some like Westfield will because they will use single donors like the MX5 and transfer all bits including ABS and air bags. What will disapper is the individual made special as there will be less chance of making everything work.
what will change is the costs of the cars, when you compare say a Lotus Elise with a kit car costing say 3/4s of the Lotus what will people buy?
We need to make sure we lobby effectivly and stop this if we can.
The NSRA (national steed rod association) collated a bunch of info about how many companies survive off the hot rod, modified car, classic car and kit car industry, the related magazines, spares, clothing, after market parts, etc etc. The figures literally go into the £billions a year. what will change is the costs of the cars, when you compare say a Lotus Elise with a kit car costing say 3/4s of the Lotus what will people buy?
We need to make sure we lobby effectivly and stop this if we can.
It was all entered into consultation documents and other heavy stuff and presented to the DVLA bods a year or two back, as part of a staged discussion about things.
Whether that sort of financial turnover makes one iota of difference to the way the government look at things is not yet known.
hi,
calling in from brussels, everyday i struggle here making ends meat, trying with my team to get around all the rules they impose on us for something old with a bit of class and an oil leak. Bought a Stylus last year( in UK obviously ), yellow beautifull as new condition. Just cannot for the sake of it get it registered in belgium for the customer. For our MOT test we take hours, and in circumstances when the car has been involved in an accident we pay £100 and have to book some 2-3 weeks in advance. Last year after having paid ( and before that repaired this lovely little last of line classic mini ) the test center laser measuring equipment didn't even recognize the car as being a MINI. The tolerences by which the measure the chassis pick-up point and relevant data are so ridiculous that even "modern " cars get refused.
After this little mishap ( and the loss of £ 7000 - since the car is now worthless ) i wrote to the ministry of infrastructure, and the people handling the road issues ( sort of DVLA ) - 10 months after no response. Sent them another letter, explaining how i had passed 35 classic minis for fun on the same machine. Surprise surprise NONE passed the criteria imposed by the authorities. STILL no response.
So do not expect us to have spare time to fight for you guys having all the fun . Your system works in the UK, write to the MP, make a fuss- at least it seems they listen - here they stopped long ago. To the point that we havn't even had a goverment for 10 months.
You've gussed it i've had enough - my family and i are moving down under (NZ) , rules and regulations are killing all that is fun here.
And sadly it's coming to the uk too
sorry to be so negative, but most people just seem to be so ignorant, and that includes the people that say "all the st that comes out of brussels"
cause ass some have rightly said- you are a memeber too of that club- and it's only as good as what you put into it.
I'll go burn some now ( luckily the cameras here don't recognise english registrations
yet !)
calling in from brussels, everyday i struggle here making ends meat, trying with my team to get around all the rules they impose on us for something old with a bit of class and an oil leak. Bought a Stylus last year( in UK obviously ), yellow beautifull as new condition. Just cannot for the sake of it get it registered in belgium for the customer. For our MOT test we take hours, and in circumstances when the car has been involved in an accident we pay £100 and have to book some 2-3 weeks in advance. Last year after having paid ( and before that repaired this lovely little last of line classic mini ) the test center laser measuring equipment didn't even recognize the car as being a MINI. The tolerences by which the measure the chassis pick-up point and relevant data are so ridiculous that even "modern " cars get refused.
After this little mishap ( and the loss of £ 7000 - since the car is now worthless ) i wrote to the ministry of infrastructure, and the people handling the road issues ( sort of DVLA ) - 10 months after no response. Sent them another letter, explaining how i had passed 35 classic minis for fun on the same machine. Surprise surprise NONE passed the criteria imposed by the authorities. STILL no response.
So do not expect us to have spare time to fight for you guys having all the fun . Your system works in the UK, write to the MP, make a fuss- at least it seems they listen - here they stopped long ago. To the point that we havn't even had a goverment for 10 months.
You've gussed it i've had enough - my family and i are moving down under (NZ) , rules and regulations are killing all that is fun here.
And sadly it's coming to the uk too
sorry to be so negative, but most people just seem to be so ignorant, and that includes the people that say "all the s
t that comes out of brussels" cause ass some have rightly said- you are a memeber too of that club- and it's only as good as what you put into it.
I'll go burn some now ( luckily the cameras here don't recognise english registrations
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