The Poles don't reckon our BiB
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OK, it's the Daily Wail, but:
Streaky
Daily Mail said:
Poles in Britain are bringing over their own private detectives - because police in UK are 'not up to the job'
Polish workers: Thousands have flooded into Britain but apparently have so little faith in the police that they are bringing over their own private detectives.
They like the money and love the lifestyle. But Poles in the UK are turning to private detectives from their homeland when they are victims of crime because they do not believe British police are up to the job.
Detective agencies in Poland have reported a big increase in requests for help from their countrymen in Britain who have complained of poor or apathetic responses from UK police.
They say they have been “left to their own devices” or received "zero support" when they become victims of burglars, muggers and other criminals - complaints which are regularly made by British crime victims too.
The Polish private eyes also claim that the British police are helpless in the face of Polish organized crime now taking root in Britain on the coat-tails of the estimated one million Poles who have moved to Britain in recent years.
“The problem is British police can't get to grips with the workings and culture of Polish emigration or Polish criminal groups,” said one detective.
Several employees at one Polish detective firm, Polizer, have already left to set up business in Britain working specifically for the Polish community. As well as street crime, these detectives are flying over to help Poles who claim they have been cheated by dishonest estate and job agents, business partners or mafia groups, from both the Polish and non-Polish communities.
"All of them agree that Poles in Britain are left to their own devices. They say there is zero support from the British police, which is why they turn to us," said Polizer detective, Zbigniew Podyma, whose website features himself next to an image of James Bond actor Pierce Brosnan.
He said the detectives could gather evidence which would then be handed to British police so that justice could be done.
Poles in the UK believe British police are 'not up to the job' - a belief shared by many native Britons
Krzysztof Rutkowski, one of Poland's best known detectives, says there is a never a day that passes without some call for help from emigrant Poles
"I have so many cases ongoing in Britain that I'm seriously thinking about opening a branch there," he said.
Mr Rutkowski said many of his clients had tried and failed to get help from the British police.
"They were just told that if they don't feel safe they can always go back home," he said
He claimed that the British Police couldn't cope with the wave of Polish organized crime villains who have emigrated to Britain along with law-abiding plumbers, nannies and waiters, since Poland joined the EU in May 2004.
He said he had already helped British police by providing evidence in an investigation against a paedophile involved in the Polish immigrant community.
"If someone in Poland someone gets mugged the Police usually know the criminal world and know where to look for the perpetrator. The British are unfamiliar with the Polish community," he said, adding: "No-one knows how to target Poles abroad better than Poles themselves."
One Polish newspaper cited the case of a Warsaw woman living in London who claimed she was conned out of 3,000 pounds by an unscrupulous landlord.
Unfamiliar with British law and not too-fluent in English, she turned to a British detective agency who charged her £500 to get a court order forcing the landlord to give her the money back plush her expenses.
Mind you, I wonder what we would feel about Polish police. After-all, look at the recent (and seemingly justified) criticism of the Portugese police.Polish workers: Thousands have flooded into Britain but apparently have so little faith in the police that they are bringing over their own private detectives.
They like the money and love the lifestyle. But Poles in the UK are turning to private detectives from their homeland when they are victims of crime because they do not believe British police are up to the job.
Detective agencies in Poland have reported a big increase in requests for help from their countrymen in Britain who have complained of poor or apathetic responses from UK police.
They say they have been “left to their own devices” or received "zero support" when they become victims of burglars, muggers and other criminals - complaints which are regularly made by British crime victims too.
The Polish private eyes also claim that the British police are helpless in the face of Polish organized crime now taking root in Britain on the coat-tails of the estimated one million Poles who have moved to Britain in recent years.
“The problem is British police can't get to grips with the workings and culture of Polish emigration or Polish criminal groups,” said one detective.
Several employees at one Polish detective firm, Polizer, have already left to set up business in Britain working specifically for the Polish community. As well as street crime, these detectives are flying over to help Poles who claim they have been cheated by dishonest estate and job agents, business partners or mafia groups, from both the Polish and non-Polish communities.
"All of them agree that Poles in Britain are left to their own devices. They say there is zero support from the British police, which is why they turn to us," said Polizer detective, Zbigniew Podyma, whose website features himself next to an image of James Bond actor Pierce Brosnan.
He said the detectives could gather evidence which would then be handed to British police so that justice could be done.
Poles in the UK believe British police are 'not up to the job' - a belief shared by many native Britons
Krzysztof Rutkowski, one of Poland's best known detectives, says there is a never a day that passes without some call for help from emigrant Poles
"I have so many cases ongoing in Britain that I'm seriously thinking about opening a branch there," he said.
Mr Rutkowski said many of his clients had tried and failed to get help from the British police.
"They were just told that if they don't feel safe they can always go back home," he said
He claimed that the British Police couldn't cope with the wave of Polish organized crime villains who have emigrated to Britain along with law-abiding plumbers, nannies and waiters, since Poland joined the EU in May 2004.
He said he had already helped British police by providing evidence in an investigation against a paedophile involved in the Polish immigrant community.
"If someone in Poland someone gets mugged the Police usually know the criminal world and know where to look for the perpetrator. The British are unfamiliar with the Polish community," he said, adding: "No-one knows how to target Poles abroad better than Poles themselves."
One Polish newspaper cited the case of a Warsaw woman living in London who claimed she was conned out of 3,000 pounds by an unscrupulous landlord.
Unfamiliar with British law and not too-fluent in English, she turned to a British detective agency who charged her £500 to get a court order forcing the landlord to give her the money back plush her expenses.
Streaky
Hooli said:
how about the poles learn English & about English culture so that they understand our country?
just a thought that'll never happen obviously.
Why? Go to Spain and Greece (and France, Aus, USA...) and you'll see Brit ex-pat communities speaking English, reading the Sun, and going to 'pubs' (often with British names and serving fried breakfast).just a thought that'll never happen obviously.
...doesn't sound like our ex-pats have 'integrated', does it?!?
Personally, so long as an immigrant TRIES to at least partially integrate in public (speak English, interact reasonably at work etc. with everyone else), what they do in their private lives is, well, their private life, and none of our business so long as it doesn't breach our laws!
Hooli said:
how about the poles learn English & about English culture so that they understand our country?
just a thought that'll never happen obviously.
Most Poles I know speak excellent english - certainly better than a lot of the chavs I hear hanging around local bus-stops.just a thought that'll never happen obviously.
As usual, when faced with an apathetic response from BiB, rather than whinge about it on internet forums, they use their nouse and bring in someone who can help.
It's really not hard to see why they are being preferred to their english counterparts by employers is it?
oh look the racist thing. my comment was aimed at 'British police dont understand the polish social structure' or whatever the OP said. they shouldnt have to, they work in Britian not poland.
as for ex-pats in spain etc, if i moved abroad it wouldnt be to an area like that - removes half the point in moving in my eyes.
as for ex-pats in spain etc, if i moved abroad it wouldnt be to an area like that - removes half the point in moving in my eyes.
Hooli said:
oh look the racist thing. my comment was aimed at 'British police dont understand the polish social structure' or whatever the OP said. they shouldnt have to, they work in Britian not poland.
as for ex-pats in spain etc, if i moved abroad it wouldnt be to an area like that - removes half the point in moving in my eyes.
Errrm, please point out the bit where I mentioned racism?as for ex-pats in spain etc, if i moved abroad it wouldnt be to an area like that - removes half the point in moving in my eyes.
I am sure that there are several different social structures within British society that the Police have had to come to terms with as our society changes and evolves.
The Poles who come here, come here to work - same as many expat brits in Dubai, Singapore, HK etc - they are there for the money, integrate little with the locals and then bugger off home after they make their money.
As I said, good on the Poles for taking on the apathy of our own police force.
Hooli said:
oh look the racist thing. my comment was aimed at 'British police dont understand the polish social structure' or whatever the OP said. they shouldnt have to, they work in Britian not poland.
as for ex-pats in spain etc, if i moved abroad it wouldnt be to an area like that - removes half the point in moving in my eyes.
I agree with you. My point is that:-as for ex-pats in spain etc, if i moved abroad it wouldnt be to an area like that - removes half the point in moving in my eyes.
- Brits are no better than any other nation when it comes to 'integration'.
- It's natural to seek out those with a common language at least, if not common backgrounds. TBH it's not THAT different from sending a London copper to B'ham...he'd not have a clue about the lingo, the local crime 'scene', etc...
FishFace said:
What is a private detective going to do in our legal system? They should bring over some Polish style policing where they can use force on obnoxious teenagers without being worried about complaints.
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Edited by Bing o on Wednesday 27th February 13:38
Not sure what the integration has got to do with anything when a Pole is a victim of crime. They go to the police, who don't bother as we all know. That is where their frustration comes in.
Sounds like a good idea. The police is not interested in investigating, so they get their own "force" to investigate the crimes that the British police is not paying attention to. If the Polish force can gather the information that is required, and pass it on to the UK justice system - no harm is done and at least you get results.
Like with everything, if you pay you get results.
Sounds like a good idea. The police is not interested in investigating, so they get their own "force" to investigate the crimes that the British police is not paying attention to. If the Polish force can gather the information that is required, and pass it on to the UK justice system - no harm is done and at least you get results.
Like with everything, if you pay you get results.
EU_Foreigner said:
Not sure what the integration has got to do with anything when a Pole is a victim of crime. They go to the police, who don't bother as we all know. That is where their frustration comes in.
Sounds like a good idea. The police is not interested in investigating, so they get their own "force" to investigate the crimes that the British police is not paying attention to. If the Polish force can gather the information that is required, and pass it on to the UK justice system - no harm is done and at least you get results.
Like with everything, if you pay you get results.
It also offsets some of the immigration impact as well - you can come in to our country, just bring your own plod and doctors Sounds like a good idea. The police is not interested in investigating, so they get their own "force" to investigate the crimes that the British police is not paying attention to. If the Polish force can gather the information that is required, and pass it on to the UK justice system - no harm is done and at least you get results.
Like with everything, if you pay you get results.
Hooli said:
how about the poles learn English & about English culture so that they understand our country?
What, you get mugged and ripped off a lot? That's not much of a "culture", more an explosion in crime, of which the police make a nice note of for "statistics" and then sit outside manning a speed trap to hit their "targets".Jasandjules said:
Hooli said:
how about the poles learn English & about English culture so that they understand our country?
What, you get mugged and ripped off a lot? That's not much of a "culture", more an explosion in crime, of which the police make a nice note of for "statistics" and then sit outside manning a speed trap to hit their "targets".We have targets for Robbery (reduction and detection)
We have no targets for speeding.
Chrispy Porker said:
Jasandjules said:
Hooli said:
how about the poles learn English & about English culture so that they understand our country?
What, you get mugged and ripped off a lot? That's not much of a "culture", more an explosion in crime, of which the police make a nice note of for "statistics" and then sit outside manning a speed trap to hit their "targets".We have targets for Robbery (reduction and detection)
We have no targets for speeding.
Not a dig at the police, only at the government which allocates resources.
FishFace said:
They should bring over some Polish style policing where they can use force on obnoxious teenagers without being worried about complaints.
agreed, this is becoming a bit of a habit now codhead, sort it out will ya 
ohh and as an agreement to the polish thing, im not sure this is tooooo much of a bad idea, see below, speeding after dark in the city is OK, so they say.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2733922.html
Bing o said:
Chrispy Porker said:
You have it the wrong way round
We have targets for Robbery (reduction and detection)
We have no targets for speeding.
Which is sad.We have targets for Robbery (reduction and detection)
We have no targets for speeding.
Because you seem so much better at persecuting the latter than prosecuting the former....
Hooli said:
how about the poles learn English & about English culture so that they understand our country?
just a thought that'll never happen obviously.
A lot of the Poles (and other Eastern Europeans) working in the UK are well educated and most have a better grasp of the correct use of the English language that the indigenous chav population.just a thought that'll never happen obviously.
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