Accident avoidance
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Hyperion

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16,952 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Much as I love biking, there is always the fear of having a crash in the back of my mind. Bikers are a vulnerable lot which does concern me - I don't want to become a statistic!
As we're all adults, I'm sure we can all admit our mistakes and learn from them.
The only time I've fallen off was when entering a corner covered in wet leaves. I wasn't going that fast and luckily was able to get back on the bike and carry on.

So what accidents have you had - what led up to the accident - how did it happen - what was it like when you knew things were about to get bad - how could it have been avoided?

I'm hoping to learn a little more from your collective mishaps.

Craphouserat

1,542 posts

232 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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been a few threads about this i think, have a look here.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

dern

14,055 posts

310 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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What I do is imagine that someone is shouting "JESUS!!! WATCH OUT!!!" at me all the time so I'm always prepared for anything.

HTH.

black-k1

12,808 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Hyperion said:
........ how could it have been avoided? ......
Advanced road training. By far the most effective way to avoid becoming a statistic. Learn how to spot potential hazards before they become a real problem and how to avoid getting into ‘difficult’ situations.

m3psm

988 posts

252 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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black-k1 said:
...Learn how to spot potential hazards before they become a real problem and how to avoid getting into ‘difficult’ situations.
This is the key factor in not binning it. Out of about 15 offs only 3 involved nobody else, so if you can try to predict the worse thing the opther road users will do and act accordingly, you mainly be safe.

The other key factor to staying the right way up is not to panic. Unfortunately this tends to come with experience and isn't easilly taught. When impact seems imminent though, most people tend to stand on the brakes locking them up, which only makes the problem worse.

Things (for me at least) tend to happen in slow motion (this is apparently triggered by your brain sending messages twice as fast at critical moments), so you do usually have a little moment to make a few simple choices. These choices usually consist of; turn left, turn right, hit the brakes, accellerate or jump off. It's usually what you do in that split second multiple choice quiz that will determine if you walk away or not.

Other things like a shiny road usually means a slippery road, if you smell diesel you're probably riding on it, leaves are slippery etc. help guage available traction.

If a car looks like it's edging out a tad, it's probably about to change lanes or turn accross you. A driver craning his neck to one side is usually checking his mirrors for a drastic move.

If you're filtering, go for the gap between two cars rather than wait for a big gap because the car could just as easilly snatch that gap away from you, but is unlikely to hit the car that he knows is beside him.

Bikers tend to not use their mirrors and a majority are scared of cars when filtering, so if you need to overtake one, do it quickly and decisively. If you dither they're likely to take you out or try to race you.

There are way too many warning signs to list, but those are the key ones I can think of.

Fats25

6,260 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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m3psm said:
If you're filtering, go for the gap between two cars rather than wait for a big gap because the car could just as easilly snatch that gap away from you, but is unlikely to hit the car that he knows is beside him.

Bikers tend to not use their mirrors and a majority are scared of cars when filtering, so if you need to overtake one, do it quickly and decisively. If you dither they're likely to take you out or try to race you.
Invaluable advice - I am amazed at the amount of bikers I see slowly going past bikes, and waiting for an "empty" gap.


m3psm

988 posts

252 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Fats25 said:
I am amazed at the amount of bikers I see slowly going past bikes, and waiting for an "empty" gap.
Yep. I'll often nail them both while they're still thinking about it.

Hyperion

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16,952 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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I think I've got filtering pretty much nailed now. I still get other bikers catching me up, but when I let them passed they usually only go as fast as I was going in the first place.
The only problem I have is my mirrors being the same height as Van mirrors...so I often have to slow down to squeeze through.
I've found riding up and down my road as slowly as possible (it's a cul-de-sac)helps you crack the balancing problems I used to have when making progress through slow city traffic. I don't usually put my foot down unless I'm almost stationary now.


Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

302 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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When showing off to a 206CC full of fit blondes with big t1ts, don't pull up alongside and then put your foot down on a wet manhole cover, thus ensuring that you fall over and end up with the bike on top of you.

HTH.

m3psm

988 posts

252 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Hyperion said:
...I've found riding up and down my road as slowly as possible (it's a cul-de-sac)helps you crack the balancing problems I used to have when making progress through slow city traffic. I don't usually put my foot down unless I'm almost stationary now.
If you trail your rear brake slightly (if you're not already) you'll find the bike is much more stable at very low speeds wink

Craphouserat

1,542 posts

232 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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M3PSM - just read what you've said - all very good advice.

m3psm

988 posts

252 months

Thursday 28th February 2008
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Craphouserat said:
M3PSM - just read what you've said - all very good advice.
I'd like to say it's down to the number of advanced riding courses I've done. Alas it's experience gained from the huge number of times that I've kissed the tarmac over the years (usually preceeded by a short flight over the bonnet of a car) whistle