Camera van parking
Discussion
I'd like to gather a few opinions (especially from the cops!) about this 'Talivan' recently parked in Reading:
As you can hopefully see - it's on a double yellow line, on hatches behind a solid white line and directly obscurring a chevron warning sign!
Is this legal or could tickets be challenged (he didn't do me!)
As you can hopefully see - it's on a double yellow line, on hatches behind a solid white line and directly obscurring a chevron warning sign!
Is this legal or could tickets be challenged (he didn't do me!)
I dont agree with where it is parked....not on really!
However, if you did get a ticket at this location i really cant see you getting off with it at all....unless its obscuring a speed limit sign etc.
This sort of parking only makes the public hate the establishment (Police) even more... which is quite wrong!
>> Edited by tonyrec on Friday 1st August 20:15
However, if you did get a ticket at this location i really cant see you getting off with it at all....unless its obscuring a speed limit sign etc.
This sort of parking only makes the public hate the establishment (Police) even more... which is quite wrong!
>> Edited by tonyrec on Friday 1st August 20:15
Thames Valley Plods are under threat via their PDR (personal devolopement review) should they not reach their targets for traffic convictions therefore their hardly likely to park near a quite spot, and are much more likly to sit near the busy areas, write to Superintendant Olney of the Thames Valley Roads policing headquarters, yep you guessed it, it is is such big busnes for them they need a completely separate headquarters to control it. Mr Olney also does not take much winding up either as I discovered after challenging his point of view quote: Firstly, 1 would like to point out that in my reply 1 explained to you that Thames Valley Police do not profit from safety cameras, they are owned by the Safer Roads Project and speed limits are set by the Local Authority. Any monies received from the fines levied against speeding motorists like yourself are used for road safety projects or returned to the Treasury. Secondly, the Department for Transport (DfT) are very keen to see an expansion of safety cameras and 1 am sure that you are aware of the recent comments made by Alistair Darling, the Transport Minister, who stated that he wanted to see more speed cameras installed across Britain and that the Government is considering increasing speed penalties to deter reckless and speeding drivers. See my point? Since Thames Valley are enjoying increases in KSI figures even they are having to bend a little from their near pathological dislike for drive are now coming up with new idea, not that the election is not that far off and that the treasury have told them to start easing off.
There are two legal maxims at work here (well one but from two angles). The equitable maxim that he who comes to court must do so with clean hands, ie you cannot break the law in order to rely on the law.
Evidence obtained in breach of the law is 'fruit of the poisoned tree, which the court will not entertain'.
Evidence obtained in breach of the law is 'fruit of the poisoned tree, which the court will not entertain'.
Obviously you can complain to the head of the police force in question, along with the authority that monitor them.
I've found in the past that my local MP has considerable sway over the police. Oh - and don't forget the press!!! Local rags love this stuff (apart from mine who have not responded), and The Sun did have a campaign going at one point.
Plus I rang the town council parking enforcement agency and told them there was an illegally parked van
For other pranks look at this thread on the Subaru forum: www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?threadid=235777
Next time take a picture if you can and send to webmaster@abd.org.uk
I've found in the past that my local MP has considerable sway over the police. Oh - and don't forget the press!!! Local rags love this stuff (apart from mine who have not responded), and The Sun did have a campaign going at one point.
Plus I rang the town council parking enforcement agency and told them there was an illegally parked van
For other pranks look at this thread on the Subaru forum: www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?threadid=235777
Next time take a picture if you can and send to webmaster@abd.org.uk
There is an ongoing debate in the Eastern Daily Press with sane people vs. the Norfolk Camera Safety Camera Casualty Reduction Partnership Reduction Scheme or whatever the hell they're called in the 'Letters' page. Though it basically revolves round the simple structure;
NCSCPRS: Our cameras save lives, these stats say so.
SP: those stats are meaningless because...
SP:Your vans are parked illegally
NCSOIPDHS: no they're not
SP: Oh yes they are...
NCBKJ: Oh no they're not...
You get the picture, it's quite interesting reading, and I'm sure the NCPSRF responses will be viewed in the same light as Comical Ali when looked upon by historians in years to come.
NCSCPRS: Our cameras save lives, these stats say so.
SP: those stats are meaningless because...
SP:Your vans are parked illegally
NCSOIPDHS: no they're not
SP: Oh yes they are...
NCBKJ: Oh no they're not...
You get the picture, it's quite interesting reading, and I'm sure the NCPSRF responses will be viewed in the same light as Comical Ali when looked upon by historians in years to come.
Personally speaking, I wouldn`t park a Camera Van in the location pictured, but I do feel that common sense needs to be applied.
The rule of thumb that I stick to is if it`s dangerous or causes obstruction then don`t park there.
I have numerous exemptions to parking regs, as long as I don`t cause obstruction or danger.....
However no one has ever taken any pictures of me in an ANPR wagon parked on the pavement with a huge generator out the front....
The rule of thumb that I stick to is if it`s dangerous or causes obstruction then don`t park there.
I have numerous exemptions to parking regs, as long as I don`t cause obstruction or danger.....
However no one has ever taken any pictures of me in an ANPR wagon parked on the pavement with a huge generator out the front....
will crash said:
However no one has ever taken any pictures of me in an ANPR wagon parked on the pavement with a huge generator out the front....
Tongue in cheek mode on:
Because being a police officer you can get out and put a parking ticket on them as soon as they stop and get out to take the picture?
toungueincheek mode off
To be honest from what you have posted I get the impression that your camera van is parked in places where the accident record proves the need, and is well marked, therefore people who get caught deserve it.
Edited because I am an idiot and sent it before I typed my comment!
>> Edited by Chrisgr31 on Saturday 2nd August 19:03
I stopped and took pictures twice - (only had film camera first time). I'm afraid that I would need to see KSI statistics to believe that this van is here on safety grounds.
This piece of dual carriageway is part of the inner ring road, it's about 1/4 mile between roundabouts. Very few sideroads and pedestrian lights at each end (ie where you have to be slow anyway for the rdbts). As you can tell from the pic, visibility is excellent.
This van is a revenue earner, because everyone speeds there. I have never seen an incident, and in fact the road is heavily congested during most of the day!
This piece of dual carriageway is part of the inner ring road, it's about 1/4 mile between roundabouts. Very few sideroads and pedestrian lights at each end (ie where you have to be slow anyway for the rdbts). As you can tell from the pic, visibility is excellent.
This van is a revenue earner, because everyone speeds there. I have never seen an incident, and in fact the road is heavily congested during most of the day!
This illegal parking is a complete and utter joke. You are all hypocrits.
You plod's need to take notice of the fact that you are in fact breaking the law NOT avoiding it.
Yes ok two wrongs don't make a right but the simple fact remains that if anybody gets done for speeding from one of these illegally parked vans then the plod who parked it there in the first place should also be fined or even towed away
Double yellow lines or chevrons or both are there for a reason its a simple as that, I refer you to the Highway Code in case you've forget
HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME, THE PUBLIC ARE PI55ED OFF AND ARE UPRISING AGAINST YOU
You plod's need to take notice of the fact that you are in fact breaking the law NOT avoiding it.
Yes ok two wrongs don't make a right but the simple fact remains that if anybody gets done for speeding from one of these illegally parked vans then the plod who parked it there in the first place should also be fined or even towed away
Double yellow lines or chevrons or both are there for a reason its a simple as that, I refer you to the Highway Code in case you've forget
HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME, THE PUBLIC ARE PI55ED OFF AND ARE UPRISING AGAINST YOU
lucozade said:
This illegal parking is a complete and utter joke. You are all hypocrits.
You plod's need to take notice of the fact that you are in fact breaking the law NOT avoiding it.
HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME, THE PUBLIC ARE PI55ED OFF AND ARE UPRISING AGAINST YOU
Sounds like its only you thats got the problem!
(Edited so as not to be offensive)
>> Edited by tonyrec on Monday 4th August 13:05
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