S1 - Toyota engine
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n_wootton

Original Poster:

26 posts

273 months

Tuesday 11th March 2008
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I don't want to say 'How Hard Can It Be', but has anyone ever considered the possibility of a Toyota engined S1. Surely it COULD be straightforward.

What are our thoughts???

NathanE

539 posts

233 months

Tuesday 11th March 2008
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You'd need to put the different subframe on which also has longer rear dampers. I'd guess its possible... but there'd be a lot of a bodging and custom work involved. Would work out more expensive than putting a Honda in I reckon..

Edited by NathanE on Tuesday 11th March 19:37

Pearcy

184 posts

231 months

Tuesday 11th March 2008
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NathanE said:
You'd need to put the different subframe on which also has longer rear dampers. I'd guess its possible... but there'd be a lot of a bodging and custom work involved. Would work out more expensive than putting a Honda in I reckon..

Edited by NathanE on Tuesday 11th March 19:37
Yes, & then you'd end up with an engine that is heavier & peakier than the Honda option - why would you want to do that? biggrin

kevin ritson

3,423 posts

258 months

Tuesday 11th March 2008
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Unless you really want to keep hold of your car it's better to sell yours and buy either a pre-converted Honda Elise or a 111R

TIPPER

2,955 posts

250 months

Tuesday 11th March 2008
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If you go to either Sabreheads or DVA you should be able to get 160 proper horses and a decent looking torque curve for less than £2k. That'll give you a power/weight ratio nearly as good as the 111R.

The Pits

4,290 posts

271 months

Wednesday 12th March 2008
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I think it's a cool idea. If you prefer the looks of the Mk1, which many do, and you want a peaky engine, which I do at least, then a 111r engine would do the trick nicely. I've driven a few and they are a cracking engine for an elise. On something heavier (like a celica) it must feel a bit silly but in an elise it's huge fun.

I just don't know who'd do it for you, whereas you have options going the honda route. One claims that no chassis surgery is required to fit the type-r engine. Not quite sure how, but that sounds impressive. I don't think it's as smooth as the toyota/yamaha but it's a famously good and strong engine.

Lawrence5

1,254 posts

266 months

Wednesday 12th March 2008
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2-11 rear subframe maybe ? Basically an S1 chassis but toy-yoda powered.........

S Works

10,166 posts

281 months

Wednesday 12th March 2008
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And the loom and all the anciliaries. Would be a totally pointless exercise IMO.

Hollywood Wheels

3,689 posts

261 months

Wednesday 12th March 2008
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Why?! confused The Toyota engine isn't all that. Spend some money on the K......

Scuffers

20,887 posts

305 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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The Pits said:
I think it's a cool idea. If you prefer the looks of the Mk1, which many do, and you want a peaky engine, which I do at least, then a 111r engine would do the trick nicely. I've driven a few and they are a cracking engine for an elise. On something heavier (like a celica) it must feel a bit silly but in an elise it's huge fun.

I just don't know who'd do it for you, whereas you have options going the honda route. One claims that no chassis surgery is required to fit the type-r engine. Not quite sure how, but that sounds impressive. I don't think it's as smooth as the toyota/yamaha but it's a famously good and strong engine.
post's like this are just scary, so many words, so little knowledge...

And, for the record, Honda install requires NO CHASSIS modifications at all (or sub-frame before you assume)

Grinnders

1,558 posts

235 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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The term "cool idea" frightens me when he should be thinking technically practical and financially viable. I'm guessing "he's not from round these parts"

Edited by Grinnders on Thursday 13th March 09:03

The Pits

4,290 posts

271 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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please enlighten me o sage ones.

if the phrase 'cool idea' upsets you, you must be one of those tragic people that spends their spare time writing to complain about adverts.

I got into cars and I like lotuses because they are cool and driving them is fun.

What exactly are you two funbags into it for?

Maths?

"he should be thinking technically practical and financially viable"

oh dear... please tell me you're being sarchastic

Edited by The Pits on Thursday 13th March 15:03

Touring Remo

3,695 posts

244 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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Best thing i've even seen is a 111r with series one front and rear clams and sills.

even better someone did the same but put an s1 exige body on it.

you wouldn't of worked it out just by looking....



just had an approximate price up at work and you're looking at about £14K+ vat for the body conversion and then you've got to make it fit and then paint it. Good times.

Edited by Touring Remo on Thursday 13th March 15:02

Scuffers

20,887 posts

305 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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The Pits said:
please enlighten me o sage ones.

if the phrase 'cool idea' upsets you, you must be one of those tragic people that spends their spare time writing to complain about adverts.

I got into cars and I like lotuses because they are cool and driving them is fun.
I think the point is that you are basically posting stuff without having the remotest clue what's involved.

May I suggest you might want to brouse some exssting threads? this has been covered many times before....

The Pits

4,290 posts

271 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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Then may I suggest you post that instead of your bhy little comments if you're going to quote me in future.

As for your 'Grange hill' sidekick 'scuffers' chipping in, I think he did his credibility more damage than anything I could write with his post.

I said that some people prefer the S1 styling. Nothing too controversial there. I said that I like peaky engines in a light car. I feel entitled to that opinion. I also reported that I had heard the honda engine can be fitted without modification. I find this surprising but in no way dismissed the possibility. Having driven several Toyota powered Elises and owned a Honda S2000 I stand by my view that the Toyota is the smoother unit. My overall point was that the original poster was likely to be better off going the Honda route.

So I am at a complete loss as to what you objected to or are defending so strongly?

nsm3

2,831 posts

227 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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The Pits said:


As for your 'Grange hill' sidekick 'scuffers' chipping in, I think he did his credibility more damage than anything I could write with his post.
I think you meant Grinnders?

cej

961 posts

253 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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The Pits said:
Having driven several Toyota powered Elises and owned a Honda S2000 I stand by my view that the Toyota is the smoother unit. My overall point was that the original poster was likely to be better off going the Honda route.

So I am at a complete loss as to what you objected to or are defending so strongly?
But what has that got to do with it ? confused
You do realize that the engine in the S2000 is a completely different one from the K20 that is swapped into the Elise ?? Seems like you don't wink
By just opening the hood on your s2000 it would make you realize that engine would never fit into an Elise (hint, note how the engine is mounted biggrin )


Scuffers

20,887 posts

305 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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I give up with him, cleary just another clueless ******

zebra

4,555 posts

245 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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Scuffers said:
I give up with him, cleary just another clueless ******
....that's a 14 year old school boy for you.

Zebs

Russ H

252 posts

239 months

Thursday 13th March 2008
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Top previously owned car list though.

Russ.