The Budget - pathetic
Discussion
Hmmm, let me see...make new "gas guzzlers" (whatever they are) more unattractive to buy and so increase the attractiveness of continuing to run a used "gas guzzler" beyond its normal lifespan rather than scrap it for a new and probably more efficient one.
Doesn't that actually make the policy less green overall - or have I missed something here?
Besides, most "gas guzzlers" are of a high value anyway - a piddly £950 extra wont put people off buying them.
Yet another pathetic and dishonest tax.
Doesn't that actually make the policy less green overall - or have I missed something here?
Besides, most "gas guzzlers" are of a high value anyway - a piddly £950 extra wont put people off buying them.
Yet another pathetic and dishonest tax.
Well, as the owner of a Band G "gas guzzler" plus two a 2 litre turbo and a 3.5 V8 in other machines, chuck in a couple of litre sportsbikes, I drink wine, beer, and get all my fuel paid for by my employer......and according to the BBC website budget calculator, I'm £176 a year BETTER off. 
Coming back through income tax, apparently.
Can't quite see how that works, and I still think that 99.9% of their policies and taxes are w@nk, but hey, I'll have 3 free tankfuls on Ali, thanks very much. Oops no, my petrol is paid for - erm, a couple of nice cases of Bordeaux then!
Twits.
Coming back through income tax, apparently.Can't quite see how that works, and I still think that 99.9% of their policies and taxes are w@nk, but hey, I'll have 3 free tankfuls on Ali, thanks very much. Oops no, my petrol is paid for - erm, a couple of nice cases of Bordeaux then!
Twits.
the new taxes are a green thing right? so are they going to buy an air purifying system with all the money made form the "gas guzzlers"
I can't believe the greenys(government) are fooling themselves that people will have cleaner running cars just by paying a tax. or are they just purley out to raise more money
I can't believe the greenys(government) are fooling themselves that people will have cleaner running cars just by paying a tax. or are they just purley out to raise more money
I just don't get why the road tax is increasingly the focus of their attention, and seems to have become ever more complicated. IF their intention is to cut pollution and congestion, presumably by making people drive less, then just add more tax to a litre of petrol and get rid of the VED altogether.
In fact, putting up the price of road tax just makes me want to drive my car more, to get my money's worth!
In fact, putting up the price of road tax just makes me want to drive my car more, to get my money's worth!
Increasingly, this bunch of tossers miss more and more of the point.
You read in the papers about all the road tax and insurance dodgers, be it foreigners, soap dodgers, work dodgers or whatever. If folks are going to dodge the road tax, they'll dodge it at whatever level it's set at. Now, you should be paying tax at the level you use the service. i.e if the car stays in the garage all week and you just use it for a bit of weekend cruising, should you pay top dollar? If you do 40k a year, you pay, if you do 10k, you pay less.
IF these Westminster w@nkers hadn't already taxed us white on fuel duty, the obvious thing to do would be scrap road tax altogether and stick a bit extra on squirt. That way if you fill up, you pay. Fairest solution. If petty was still say 80ppl I'm sure everyone would agree to make it, say, 85-90ppl instead. However, it all comes down to nailing every poor honest schmo who pays a mortgage and tries to bring their saucepans up without going to the DSS for a handout..... like Robin Hood, steal from the hardworking and piss it up the wall on the lazy, bone idle and brain dead.
Nuff said........
You read in the papers about all the road tax and insurance dodgers, be it foreigners, soap dodgers, work dodgers or whatever. If folks are going to dodge the road tax, they'll dodge it at whatever level it's set at. Now, you should be paying tax at the level you use the service. i.e if the car stays in the garage all week and you just use it for a bit of weekend cruising, should you pay top dollar? If you do 40k a year, you pay, if you do 10k, you pay less.
IF these Westminster w@nkers hadn't already taxed us white on fuel duty, the obvious thing to do would be scrap road tax altogether and stick a bit extra on squirt. That way if you fill up, you pay. Fairest solution. If petty was still say 80ppl I'm sure everyone would agree to make it, say, 85-90ppl instead. However, it all comes down to nailing every poor honest schmo who pays a mortgage and tries to bring their saucepans up without going to the DSS for a handout..... like Robin Hood, steal from the hardworking and piss it up the wall on the lazy, bone idle and brain dead.
Nuff said........
It's a difficult one.
I can totally see the argument of increasing petrol duty for the climate change issues.
Use more = pay more. Seems one of the fairest options.
The only way I can see the road tax linked to emissions argument is that if you don't use a car often then when you do you could still do it more efficiently with a different car... weak argument but the best I can think of.
The main problem with petrol tax is that you still play into the hands of people with the most money. If you earn a few 100k/year then an extra few hundred quid isn't going to be noticable.
Then the other side of this is that high fuel prices impact pretty much everything (as we have seen from the price of food going up) which makes the low income families even worse off. So petrol duty can and should only be used in moderation.
Now I've no idea how you could work this so don't be to hard on me but as far as I can see the only fair way I can see of managing the whole emmissions thing would be to give everybody a personal CO2 "allowance". The utility companies could automatically debit their bits as part of the billing process, cars could be monitored as part of the MOT process and make it mandatory to supply mileage details on sale etc. You could have an end of year statement saying what balance you have and an option to put unused "credits" back in the pot. Make it work the same for companies too. People over the limit would have to buy unsed credits from those that didn't overspend or be fined...
I guess what I'm trying to say is that when it comes to fuel I don't believe (nievely though) that anybody has more or less right than somebody else.
Oh I dunno - it's all to complicated for this time in the morning
I can totally see the argument of increasing petrol duty for the climate change issues.
Use more = pay more. Seems one of the fairest options.
The only way I can see the road tax linked to emissions argument is that if you don't use a car often then when you do you could still do it more efficiently with a different car... weak argument but the best I can think of.
The main problem with petrol tax is that you still play into the hands of people with the most money. If you earn a few 100k/year then an extra few hundred quid isn't going to be noticable.
Then the other side of this is that high fuel prices impact pretty much everything (as we have seen from the price of food going up) which makes the low income families even worse off. So petrol duty can and should only be used in moderation.
Now I've no idea how you could work this so don't be to hard on me but as far as I can see the only fair way I can see of managing the whole emmissions thing would be to give everybody a personal CO2 "allowance". The utility companies could automatically debit their bits as part of the billing process, cars could be monitored as part of the MOT process and make it mandatory to supply mileage details on sale etc. You could have an end of year statement saying what balance you have and an option to put unused "credits" back in the pot. Make it work the same for companies too. People over the limit would have to buy unsed credits from those that didn't overspend or be fined...
I guess what I'm trying to say is that when it comes to fuel I don't believe (nievely though) that anybody has more or less right than somebody else.
Oh I dunno - it's all to complicated for this time in the morning
Edited by ads_green on Thursday 13th March 09:24
I agree put third party insurance, road tax etc onto fuel. Cut road tax out as it does not realate to anything other than time in duration.
That would also capture all the foreign drivers and uninsured as well. They would all have to pay for third party insurance and road tax. An excellent idea for sure.
That would also capture all the foreign drivers and uninsured as well. They would all have to pay for third party insurance and road tax. An excellent idea for sure.
I fail to see how any of these 'green' initatives are going to make the slightest difference to the earth-wide problem of 'global' warming (if it even exixts...) if you consider the miniscule percentage of co2 that the uk emits... compared to growing global economies such as china and india and the US. It's just another excuse for HMG to extract yet more money from hardworking (and hard pressed) tax payers so that they can spend it on themselves with thier sky-high salaries whilst the rest of it goes on wars and the (vastly expanded since labour got into power) social/chav/scumbag/sit on your arse all day benefit claiming do nothing classes.
Angry - you bet
The sooner this lot are booted out of the house of commons and thrown into the Thames to drown the better
Angry - you bet
The sooner this lot are booted out of the house of commons and thrown into the Thames to drown the better
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 13th March 13:53
GSE said:
I fail to see how any of these 'green' initatives are going to make the slightest difference to the earth-wide problem of 'global' warming (if it even exixts...) if you consider the miniscule percentage of co2 that the uk emits... compared to growing global economies such as china and india and the US. It's just another excuse for HMG to extract yet more money from hardworking (and hard pressed) tax payers so that they can spend it on themselves with thier sky-high salaries whilst the rest of it goes on wars and the (vastly expanded since labour got into power) social/chav/scumbag/sit on your arse all day benefit claiming do nothing classes.
Angry - you bet
The sooner this lot are booted out of the house of commons and thrown into the Thames to drown the better
Angry - you bet
The sooner this lot are booted out of the house of commons and thrown into the Thames to drown the better
Edited by GSE on Thursday 13th March 13:53
Fully agree, but, will any party undo all these changes ?? They will get the cash but none of the blame!!
Whilst I agree the whole CO2 issue has been clouded and there's now soo much money in "green" that it's now unstoppable there is another side.
Assume the whole climate change issue is a fraud it doesn't change the fact that CO2 is directly related to fossil fuel consumption so reducing CO2 will make existing reserves last longer.
Assume the whole climate change issue is a fraud it doesn't change the fact that CO2 is directly related to fossil fuel consumption so reducing CO2 will make existing reserves last longer.
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