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Fittster

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20,120 posts

243 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Can someone explain in numpty language if this the same sort of problem as Northern Rock faced?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7296678.stm 

Tony*T3

20,911 posts

277 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Fittster said:
Can someone explain in numpty language if this the same sort of problem as Northern Rock faced?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7296678.stm 
yes. Borrowing short term (from other banks) to fund long term loans (lending to people for Mortgages).

Skipppy

1,136 posts

240 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Euro - Dollar could hit 1.58 by the end of the day! eek

Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

301 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Fittster said:
Can someone explain in numpty language if this the same sort of problem as Northern Rock faced?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7296678.stm 
It's worse. Much worse.

Same issue (liquidity) but this will precipitate a disaster.


Armageddon is upon us.


mitzy

13,858 posts

227 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Vesuvius 996 said:
Fittster said:
Can someone explain in numpty language if this the same sort of problem as Northern Rock faced?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7296678.stm 
It's worse. Much worse.

Same issue (liquidity) but this will precipitate a disaster.


Armageddon is upon us.
In the words of Iron Maiden "Run to the hills"

Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

301 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Alan Schwartz president and chief executive officer of Bear Stearns said:
"Bear Stearns has been the subject of a multitude of market rumours regarding our liquidity.

"We have tried to confront and dispel these rumours and parse fact from fiction.

"Amidst this market chatter, our liquidity position in the last 24 hours had significantly deteriorated."

"We took this important step to restore confidence in us in the marketplace, strengthen our liquidity and allow us to continue normal operations."
babelfish said:
We're screwed. Start the car.
This is VERY VERY bad news.



Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 14th March 14:35

Fittster

Original Poster:

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Friday 14th March 2008
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Vesuvius 996 said:
Fittster said:
Can someone explain in numpty language if this the same sort of problem as Northern Rock faced?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7296678.stm 
It's worse. Much worse.
You mean we are going to have to put up with more gloating posts from Golden Boy!! eek

Skipppy

1,136 posts

240 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Northern Rock x 5 at least. They could potentially drag a few other banks, hedge funds and asset managers into the problem with them...

mitzy

13,858 posts

227 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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"If you want a friend buy a dog"

manu

768 posts

293 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Skipppy said:
Northern Rock x 5 at least. They could potentially drag a few other banks, hedge funds and asset managers into the problem with them...
You sure they are that big? Didn't NR have some £120bn of Mortgage assets?

philelmer

195 posts

245 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Vesuvius 996] said:
This is VERY VERY bad news.
So can anyone explain in straightforward terms, assuming that I (for example) am not a financial analyst, and don't really know very much about how one business collapsing will throw the earth off its orbit?

Sorry, that sounded quite facetious (sp?) didn't it. What I was after is maybe a website or a brief outline of WHY this is, and I quote, "very very bad news".

Vesuvius 996

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301 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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philelmer said:
Vesuvius 996] said:
This is VERY VERY bad news.
So can anyone explain in straightforward terms, assuming that I (for example) am not a financial analyst, and don't really know very much about how one business collapsing will throw the earth off its orbit?

Sorry, that sounded quite facetious (sp?) didn't it. What I was after is maybe a website or a brief outline of WHY this is, and I quote, "very very bad news".
1. Absolute lack of confidence in the banking system
2. Absolute lack of funds to be lent between banks, as they keep what they have
3. NO money at all to be lent to you and me (see 2)
4. Mortgages impossible to find at a decent rate (see 3) so when people come off fixed rates (1.4 million of them this year) they will have to pay HUGE HUGE increases, which they can't afford
5. Reposessions a go go (see 4)
6. Housing market crashes
7. People go bankrupt (see 6)


Seriously, the banks will stop lending to each other, and therefore the whole friggin lot comes crashing down.


This DOES affect the man in the street here.



Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 14th March 15:51

devonshiredave

552 posts

232 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Carlyle fund also in some bother - going to default on about $16bil

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7293663.stm

Trommel

20,634 posts

289 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Vesuvius 996 said:
Absolute lack of funds to be lent between banks
The money's still there ...

Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

301 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Trommel said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
Absolute lack of funds to be lent between banks
The money's still there ...
But those who have it are hoarding it, so no liquidity.

Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

301 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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devonshiredave said:
Carlyle fund also in some bother - going to default on about $16bil

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7293663.stm
Carlyle's done for.

They've lost the LOT.

Dunk76

4,350 posts

244 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Hmmm

So not a good time to be extending one's mortgage for a loft conversion and buying a new car on the knock then?


philelmer

195 posts

245 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Cheers for that - got the basic concept through the walls of my skull. smile

mitzy

13,858 posts

227 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Vesuvius 996 said:
devonshiredave said:
Carlyle fund also in some bother - going to default on about $16bil

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7293663.stm
Carlyle's done for.

They've lost the LOT.
You always this jolly on a Friday, Where is the Lord, we could do with a bit of cheer.

thegman

1,928 posts

234 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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holy crap bear stearns are screwed. many big banks withdrawing credit lines as we speak