Steve Heath's Drop Down Roll Bar Links!!!
Steve Heath's Drop Down Roll Bar Links!!!
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JonnyW

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867 posts

272 months

Monday 31st March 2008
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Steve, thanks for the new drop downs, brilliant pieces of kit and I have to say that the last ones lasted two seasons and are still fine. Realy add feel on the edge and with the new rubber and downforce everything is under a massive amount of strain, hence the 51s at Brands even with the understeer that saw off the front left in 40 laps! Now fixed by the way. You forgot to send the stickers through to APM Andy!! Happy to wear them! All the best John

Nefarious

989 posts

295 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Did you do front and back?
Did you fit them yourself? Tricky?

itsallyellow

3,879 posts

250 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Echoing that.

Also have them on the race car and they do seem very good.

Yes easy to fit, took about an hour to do front and back.

Mike

Cerbdog

2,370 posts

295 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Without starting a bun fight, a well respected PHer is of the opinion that the drop links set the car up too stiff, so grip can therefore be compromised. I believe some people have their ARB's disconnected, which i guess underlines this theory?

A discussion point maybe? I have them fitted front and rear on my cerb and the car is slightly stiffer and it will be interesting to see the state of the ball joints after a winter or two of grit and grime.

Cheers

Rob

JensenA

5,671 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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I fitted them to my car, and yes, they did make it stiffer. So i just wound back the shocks about 5 clicks and the 'stiffness' was back to how it was prior to fitting them, but the advantage is that the car - I'm not a 'Track boy' so I don't know the correct terminology - feels less 'rubbery' and more responsive to quick steering inputs.

TT Tim

4,168 posts

277 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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I've got Steve's drop links on the front ARB and have removed the Rear ARB completely, will report back after a track day or two and a few sprints.

Tim

Edited by TT Tim on Tuesday 1st April 12:14

itsallyellow

3,879 posts

250 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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TT Tim said:
I've got Steve's drop links on the front ARB and have removed the Rear ARB completely, will report back after a track day or two and a few sprints.

Tim

Edited by TT Tim on Tuesday 1st April 12:14
Did this myself at the last test session i did. Found the car better handling without the rear anti roll bar. My knowledge of suspension set up is apaling but others were saying that it may not be anything to do with the roll bar but issues with the rest of my setup?
Anyway i found the car quicker minus the rear ARB.

Mike

JonnyW

Original Poster:

867 posts

272 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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Mike, with a billion pound/foot set of springs at the back that you have on, the movement will be minimal in any case. I have links on the front and back and have run without a rear anti-roll bar in the past. I do find the progression under load more predictable with the bar on and I don't think that the normal set-up is sophisticated enough to run with it off. My suspension set-up with the Ohlins is pretty much the limit as to where you can go and they (remember APM Andy is involved with their technical set-up)recommend that the bar is on with rose jointed drop downs for an immediate load up. Jonny

TT Tim

4,168 posts

277 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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I know there are other factors involved, but what poundage springs are you guys running on the rear?

Or would you have to kill me if you told? biggrin

Tim

Hut49

3,544 posts

292 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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I put the drop links on the Chimaera and (apart from stopping the typical rear end rattle which was a victory in itself) found them to provide a significant improvement in being able to sense traction and balance.

Disconnecting the ARB itself sounds a little more adventurous and while doing this as a track mod might be OK, what are the insurance implications of this mod for public road use? Could be a problem surely?

itsallyellow

3,879 posts

250 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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TT Tim said:
I know there are other factors involved, but what poundage springs are you guys running on the rear?

Or would you have to kill me if you told? biggrin

Tim
I would tell you but theres to many 0000's behind the number to fit onta a post!!

Everyone keeps telling me im running the car way too firm, however the car feels really good to me! confused

Mike

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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We're running 550 on the rear of the T350, I dont mind telling you that as 1) the rear of our T350 isn't like any others out there now I've modded it and 2) we have to cope with the downforce from a very efficient rear wing so until someone else runs a T350 in the same spec these rates are useless to anyone else .. however if you're up around 550 ish on the rear of your un-winged cerbie I'd say you were much too stiff, based on all the track work Ive done in cerbs I can't see why you would need more than 400 even on slicks unless you were trying to cover another issue that you can't easily sort without strong springs. So go on then what rate are you using Mike?

itsallyellow

3,879 posts

250 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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trackcar said:
We're running 550 on the rear of the T350, I dont mind telling you that as 1) the rear of our T350 isn't like any others out there now I've modded it and 2) we have to cope with the downforce from a very efficient rear wing so until someone else runs a T350 in the same spec these rates are useless to anyone else .. however if you're up around 550 ish on the rear of your un-winged cerbie I'd say you were much too stiff, based on all the track work Ive done in cerbs I can't see why you would need more than 400 even on slicks unless you were trying to cover another issue that you can't easily sort without strong springs. So go on then what rate are you using Mike?
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TT Tim

4,168 posts

277 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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…and I'm on 500 as you know Joolz. biggrin

Tim

itsallyellow

3,879 posts

250 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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But as i have allready said....... The car handels brilliantly and i feel very confident driving it.

Mike

TooTall Paul

938 posts

277 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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Jools do you remember trying to fit these drop links to my car? they wouldn't fit for some reason, was it the spring lengths ?

Cheers Paul

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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TT Tim said:
…and I'm on 500 as you know Joolz. biggrin

Tim
.. which will be great with a wing .. we are on 550 amongst other reasons to stop the tyres fouling on the arches as our wing worked extremely well last year and we expect the new one to be as good with less drag hopefully. did you buy Cliff's old wing in the end ?

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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TooTall Paul said:
Jools do you remember trying to fit these drop links to my car? they wouldn't fit for some reason, was it the spring lengths ?

Cheers Paul
can't remember Paul sorry. how are you though? tempted by Cerbie ownership again ? smile