RE: New Pantera To Have Lambo V10?
RE: New Pantera To Have Lambo V10?
Tuesday 1st April 2008

New Pantera To Have Lambo V10?

Revived De Tomaso Pantera could have Gallardo V10 and four-wheel drive


Stefan Schulze's study for new Pantera
Stefan Schulze's study for new Pantera
The De Tomaso Pantera has always had a special place in the hearts of many enthusiasts.

On one hand the Pantera had exotic supercar looks but underneath it had a heafty Ford powerplant, and therein lies the appeal.

There has been rumours of a Pantera revival for a while now, but this time reports suggest the car would not only have Lamborghini Gallardo underpinnings, but would also be fitted with the Audi/Lambo V10.

Whether the car would be priced under the R8, which has the same architecture, and way below the Gallardo is unclear, but the problem for many fans is that the V10 will make the car too expensive.

The engine would be mid-mounted but there is now talk of making the car four-wheel drive a la the Gallardo and R8.

This means the car would have similar performance but the question is whether the market would welcome a third closely related car.

The concept is the work of designer Stefan Schulze and is his proposition for a successor to the Pantera.

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DamoLLb

Original Poster:

1,775 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Who owns the name of De Tomaso Pantera now? I cant see any point in rebodying a gallardo for what seems to be the same money, Gallado underpinnings maybe, but if its essentially the same engine i think this may be treading on some toes. How about a ford GT engine?

Lordbenny

8,733 posts

241 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Another April fool?

Collaudatore

1,062 posts

224 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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PistonHeads said:
there is now talk of making the car four-wheel drive
banghead

Baffled Spoon

5,256 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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^^ I can only assume that VAG now owns De Tomaso seeing as it will be heavily based on their products, but if that is the case than VAG need to sort themselfs out and make their first rwd supercar.

Come to think of it, does the VAG group make any rwd cars? Can't think of any. Regardless, I would prefer for the new Pantera to have a v8 as well.

blackwoo

14 posts

232 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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That the only RWD cars VW makes that are the Bentley Arnage and Brooklands.

I think they might be the only ones that cost over £30,000 and aren't 4wd too!!

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

247 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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If it looked anything like the design study (and they rarely do), I would place an order today.

For some people the 'Lamborghini' name is just too much badge. 'Audi' perhaps not enough. Why not have an alternative? Sign me up!

Would the market welcome it? You bet your arse it would. No such thing as too much choice.

P~

Insight

608 posts

220 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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I love the look of that car! LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT

Vedrfolner

86 posts

246 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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The front provides lift, not downforce or less drag. It can't look like that.

RacersEdge

3 posts

214 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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April fools!

The pic has no official connection with De Tomaso, unless they've prototyped the name in the pic as well! (Pantera, not Panthera) = P

Pic originated from DeviantArt if im not wrong, also availble on carwalls.com

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

247 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Is it really an AF? Or have the PH guys not just used the pic from the most recent Pantera story to attach to this (quite legit) story?

Someone put me out of my misery! (not the 'bullet' way, tho)

Dr G

15,779 posts

264 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Look at the time the article was posted wink

neh321

378 posts

244 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Lordbenny said:
Another April fool?
HAS to be

Road_Terrorist

5,591 posts

264 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Who would buy it? If you like Panteras, surely you'd just buy an old one?

If for some reason they had to make a new one, it should have some sort of American V8 engine in it, an LS7 is a vastly cheaper way of getting 500bhp than a megapriced Lambo engine. The whole idea is that it's a taste of italian exotica with reliable, cheap but powerful american engines.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

249 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Collaudatore said:
PistonHeads said:
there is now talk of making the car four-wheel drive
banghead
Not everybody wants oversteer.

I'd choose 4WD/AWD over FWD or RWD anyday. Personal choice of course.

Lone Granger

801 posts

265 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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A Pantera is Ialian styling over cheap reliable U.S. mechanicals - thats what gave its appeal then - thats what will give its appeal now

It beats me why no D.I.Y. ('kit') version has been made in that market --so easy to replicate compard with Countach etc + layout at rear leaves itself open to virtually any engine and tranny - eg tuned 383 + used 911 tranny - make body from glass and kevlar with suitable light tubular chassis on modern suspension honed by Lotus / Prodrive and voila!

1100 kg everyday supercar with 400+ bhp / ton, 0-100 in single figures, fantastic quad pipe sound, spacious, exotic and all for under £20k complete, incl air and leather - guarantee it is not only possible, but surely unavoidable! - Come on you guys, must be somebody working on it...

It is this combination that made cars such as this (of which there were few,) a cult hero

I will take a high quality complete kit for £9k + supply own engine and tranny - anyone else? - Slightly preferable to yet another £100,000 pandering to the rich set............

griffter

4,143 posts

277 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Road_Terrorist said:
If for some reason they had to make a new one, it should have some sort of American V8 engine in it, an LS7 is a vastly cheaper way of getting 500bhp than a megapriced Lambo engine. The whole idea is that it's a taste of italian exotica with reliable, cheap but powerful american engines.
Or a high output diesel V8 (which VAG have - or even the V10) - for that old skool yankee V8 feel. Would have to be RWD though, for product differentiation and price positioning to make it worth while. Heck they might as well pitch it straight against the 911.

Pingman

406 posts

223 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Looks awesome to me, like a modern take of the GT40.

Couple that with a lovely Lambo V10 and it'll have the power to match its looks!

Collaudatore

1,062 posts

224 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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wab172uk said:
Collaudatore said:
PistonHeads said:
there is now talk of making the car four-wheel drive
banghead
Not everybody wants oversteer.

I'd choose 4WD/AWD over FWD or RWD anyday. Personal choice of course.
of course.
only it soon won't be personal choice as everyone will make 4WD cars soon.
(of course I base this statement on meticulous study of the motor industrysmile )
Save the RWD!

RacersEdge

3 posts

214 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Rest of the pics and brief description bout the guy who did the 3D model:
http://www.desktopmachine.com/press/171/Panthera_P...

And the guys webpage: http://www.firstsignal.de/
Got some pretty nice stuff, including a new take on the classic Vector W8 at http://www.v8-turbo.com/

flashygee

127 posts

233 months

Tuesday 1st April 2008
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Detomaso is at the Moment in the Hands of the Son from Alejandro Detomaso.
But Detomaso has no Money no one will buy Detomaso.
The Son has cancelled the Production of the last Sportscar from Detomaso
the GUARA.
Bad Quali,Delivery probs and angry Customers has killed Detomaso.
Detomaso is looks like TVR and Marcos History without Chance of a good Future.
However,the Concept is nice but its only a Concept not more.

Edited by flashygee on Tuesday 1st April 15:04