Best source for E39 M5 wheels?
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My fellow //M sufferers,
Know you of a place where post purchase, my gait won't resemble the rather saddle formed stride of J Palance as per his role from City Slickers?
Looking at fronts first, then maybe the rears.
Process of elimination, you see...the 70-80 gremlin is not slain, alas...
Know you of a place where post purchase, my gait won't resemble the rather saddle formed stride of J Palance as per his role from City Slickers?
Looking at fronts first, then maybe the rears.
Process of elimination, you see...the 70-80 gremlin is not slain, alas...
derestrictor said:
Process of elimination, you see...the 70-80 gremlin is not slain, alas...
Alternatively, how about getting together with a fellow owner at, say, an airfield and try swapping out wheels to see if the problem goes away. 
Payment might only take a Burger du Rat or two and save on the funny walk.
I'll bet there will be plenty of willing jack'n'spanner volunteers there to help as well. 
derestrictor said:
My fellow //M sufferers,
Know you of a place where post purchase, my gait won't resemble the rather saddle formed stride of J Palance as per his role from City Slickers?
Looking at fronts first, then maybe the rears.
Process of elimination, you see...the 70-80 gremlin is not slain, alas...
I shall ask around Know you of a place where post purchase, my gait won't resemble the rather saddle formed stride of J Palance as per his role from City Slickers?
Looking at fronts first, then maybe the rears.
Process of elimination, you see...the 70-80 gremlin is not slain, alas...
I believe some Schnitzers would go well under your chariot, as would some lovely 19" Alpinas! However if you feeling particularly flush why not go out and get a set of Rays.....just stunning wheels from a top Japanese house and built especially for BMW's with aftermarket brake calipers etc!!! You know you want to!!
Cactussed said:
While you're at it, jack the front of the car up then grab each wheel and give it a good shake. Might tell you if its wheel bearings or (more likely) suspension / steering bushes.
Both replaced recently.Meeting up with Daz this coming week: will exchange cars and if necessary perform a wheel swap.
It's driving me insane, I can't tell you...
When cold, the car is just rough, simple as: steering, overall feel - yuck.
Few miles on, bit of thermal activity in the tubes and it's away: it seems to want to drive way in excess of what the communists deign fit and when you're trying to stay sub 80, it's a right b'stard.
Well, I could very well be at the towel throwing stage.
Despite chucking more money than sense at the old girl, she still refuses to put her house in order.
Yesterday, I met up with Daz at to compare beasties.
His car is an 01 car versus my 00 and is nigh on 90k versus wor 96k on the odo.
Both are fully, main dealer historied and neither has wanted for anything.
Within seconds of pulling onto the nearby dual carriageway, Daz's car revealed itself to be what mine must surely have felt like back when. New.
I mean tight and locked down; honed and taught with none, absolutely none of the steering 'shimmy' which has and continues to plague me for two years now, despite effectively replacing all the suspension components imaginable.
To say his brakes were sensational would be to undereulogise: they were Porsche standard and quite lockupable: again, how mortifying that exactly the same brake set up - bar pagid pads astern - were proving so resilient after many thousands of hard mileage, including one or two heavy duty 'hoons...'
...whilst I'm on my 2nd set of front discs in a similar time frame (no trackdays or anything like, btw) and it seems a 3rd is necessary. I could f@cking weep.
But back to the car.
We concluded that the rears were overloading and basically fubar - why had the main dealer not spotted this on several recent visits? Their so-called Head Chef was on the case, too...So much for main bloody dealers. A quick check on a balancing machine revealed chronic misbalancing and shortly afterwards, Daz and myself went out with the rebalanced wheels to see what was what: amazingly, it seemed to have entirely cured the dreaded shimmy, 65-80 came, went and was passed up and down through several times and we both agreed it seemed bang on...Dare I hope?
I must admit, I was secretly incredulous and maybe should have swapped wheels with Daz but we decided it to be unecessary...
Sooo...with the car booked in for more brake work for next week, Daz and I grabbed a quick Toblerone, ice and a couple of slices each chez L'Homme Ver, shortly after which, I began the purgatorial trundle back up the M6. At rush hour.
And here's where it gets really, properly wierd.
For the first few miles, although I thought the car not quite to Daz's high standard, it felt very much better and any variance I tried to think might be my own psychological gremlins being all too ready to pounce.
Obviously the braking was horrible and the mortifying torture of rush hour sparring - 40-65, back to 50, then a quick burst to 70, back to 40 then 75 et al and repeat - exaggerated their hoplesness tenfold but as the miles eventually unfurled something soul destroying re emerged, empahtically and unequivocally.
Yup, the shimmy. At first, it was that terror zone of 70-80, gradually worsening, mopping up a greater spread of speeds so that by the time I'd cleared the Tollbahn and entered the barely rolling car park aka the M6(N), anything bewteen 50 and 85 was pretty damn grotty.
I finally crawled home with a dead right leg from several hours deep vein commutobosis and a mindset utterly sick of this near 7 year love affair. The old girl was an automotive gold digger and the divorce lawyers were encircling...
Then today, coming into work, cold as you like and steady throttle, any gear, all sub 70 stuff: absolute, resolute steering wheel vibration.
I just gave up, hoofed it some more and turned up the Thin Lizzy. Thunder & Lightning, what else?
We'll see what transpires following the new braking system but if it's another round of rolling shimmy I'll be at the end of a very long tether.
As it stands, I've never been closer to ditching the b
h and blanking off the wonga spunkage, it really has been the most diabolical frustration.
Sorry about that, I'm at my bd wits end with it. 
Despite chucking more money than sense at the old girl, she still refuses to put her house in order.
Yesterday, I met up with Daz at to compare beasties.
His car is an 01 car versus my 00 and is nigh on 90k versus wor 96k on the odo.
Both are fully, main dealer historied and neither has wanted for anything.
Within seconds of pulling onto the nearby dual carriageway, Daz's car revealed itself to be what mine must surely have felt like back when. New.
I mean tight and locked down; honed and taught with none, absolutely none of the steering 'shimmy' which has and continues to plague me for two years now, despite effectively replacing all the suspension components imaginable.
To say his brakes were sensational would be to undereulogise: they were Porsche standard and quite lockupable: again, how mortifying that exactly the same brake set up - bar pagid pads astern - were proving so resilient after many thousands of hard mileage, including one or two heavy duty 'hoons...'
...whilst I'm on my 2nd set of front discs in a similar time frame (no trackdays or anything like, btw) and it seems a 3rd is necessary. I could f@cking weep.
But back to the car.
We concluded that the rears were overloading and basically fubar - why had the main dealer not spotted this on several recent visits? Their so-called Head Chef was on the case, too...So much for main bloody dealers. A quick check on a balancing machine revealed chronic misbalancing and shortly afterwards, Daz and myself went out with the rebalanced wheels to see what was what: amazingly, it seemed to have entirely cured the dreaded shimmy, 65-80 came, went and was passed up and down through several times and we both agreed it seemed bang on...Dare I hope?
I must admit, I was secretly incredulous and maybe should have swapped wheels with Daz but we decided it to be unecessary...
Sooo...with the car booked in for more brake work for next week, Daz and I grabbed a quick Toblerone, ice and a couple of slices each chez L'Homme Ver, shortly after which, I began the purgatorial trundle back up the M6. At rush hour.
And here's where it gets really, properly wierd.
For the first few miles, although I thought the car not quite to Daz's high standard, it felt very much better and any variance I tried to think might be my own psychological gremlins being all too ready to pounce.
Obviously the braking was horrible and the mortifying torture of rush hour sparring - 40-65, back to 50, then a quick burst to 70, back to 40 then 75 et al and repeat - exaggerated their hoplesness tenfold but as the miles eventually unfurled something soul destroying re emerged, empahtically and unequivocally.
Yup, the shimmy. At first, it was that terror zone of 70-80, gradually worsening, mopping up a greater spread of speeds so that by the time I'd cleared the Tollbahn and entered the barely rolling car park aka the M6(N), anything bewteen 50 and 85 was pretty damn grotty.
I finally crawled home with a dead right leg from several hours deep vein commutobosis and a mindset utterly sick of this near 7 year love affair. The old girl was an automotive gold digger and the divorce lawyers were encircling...
Then today, coming into work, cold as you like and steady throttle, any gear, all sub 70 stuff: absolute, resolute steering wheel vibration.
I just gave up, hoofed it some more and turned up the Thin Lizzy. Thunder & Lightning, what else?
We'll see what transpires following the new braking system but if it's another round of rolling shimmy I'll be at the end of a very long tether.
As it stands, I've never been closer to ditching the b
h and blanking off the wonga spunkage, it really has been the most diabolical frustration.Sorry about that, I'm at my b
d wits end with it. Edited by derestrictor on Thursday 10th April 09:52
Sorry we didn't solve it.
At the next meet, even when we think we've solved it, we'll have to swap wheels as originally intended.
Have you been on the M5 board to ask who is the best E39 M5 SetupMeister? Seems a shame to throw the towel in after all you've done.
DAZ
At the next meet, even when we think we've solved it, we'll have to swap wheels as originally intended.
Have you been on the M5 board to ask who is the best E39 M5 SetupMeister? Seems a shame to throw the towel in after all you've done.
DAZ
Edited by dazren on Wednesday 9th April 10:25
Get the car sent down to Phoenix Motorsport in Surrey. Not only will the piston seals get replaced on the brakes.....never done on a service ever, but they will also balance driveshafts and checka whole load of parts that BMW main dealers do not even know exist.
These guys know their stuff and offer some top engineering improvements too. Its not how the car looks, but how smoothly it goes and stops!
These guys know their stuff and offer some top engineering improvements too. Its not how the car looks, but how smoothly it goes and stops!
Give Gerry a ring, he is an engineer by trade, not a salesman, so knows his stuff from a technical standpoint. I reckon your car needs the brakes looked at properly from the inside out and the driveshaft and suspension mounts checked over for excessive vibration and poor calibration.
Let us know if they help after some serious discussions, Phoenix are not expensive for what they WILL DO, not talk about doing!
Let us know if they help after some serious discussions, Phoenix are not expensive for what they WILL DO, not talk about doing!
dazren said:
Podie said:
Did you swap the wheels from one car to the next? (I lost the will to live in the diatribe).
My only other thought is to try hub centric rings…
No because we thought the problem had been solved/vastly improved. My only other thought is to try hub centric rings…
I don't know the full history of what's been changed, but I'm guessing he's gone through the usual suspects..?
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