Bellof's 6:11
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MM2200

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264 posts

225 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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Is there any footage of this pole lap in existence? Or indeed of his race lap of 6:25. I would very much like to watch it, though I suspect no such film exists.

Cheers


Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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Where?

The Nurbugring?

Satsuma

300 posts

261 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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i think it's on you tube...

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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Truckosaurus

13,253 posts

313 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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Wasn't Derek Bell filmed lap for "In Car 956" something like the 4th or 5th quickest ever lap?

flemke

23,482 posts

266 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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SamHH said:
I'd be surprised if the in-car bits were taken on his record lap. Those were the days of bulky, heavy cameras mounted high in the cockpit. It would seem unlikely that he would have gone for pole, and achieved such an extraordinary time, carrying the camera. Also, the part when he was stuck behind Rosberg wouldn't have been on his record lap.

Cheers.

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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flemke said:
SamHH said:
I'd be surprised if the in-car bits were taken on his record lap. Those were the days of bulky, heavy cameras mounted high in the cockpit. It would seem unlikely that he would have gone for pole, and achieved such an extraordinary time, carrying the camera. Also, the part when he was stuck behind Rosberg wouldn't have been on his record lap.

Cheers.
The narrator says that he's his out lap when behind Rosberg, and then implies that the later in-car footage is from his hot lap. I suspect this is not the truth.

flemke

23,482 posts

266 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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SamHH said:
I suspect this is not the truth.
Someone in the news media getting the facts wrong?

scratchchin

tank slapper

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312 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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Truckosaurus said:
Wasn't Derek Bell filmed lap for "In Car 956" something like the 4th or 5th quickest ever lap?
Yes here it is. A lap in 6:41 which still looks fairly silly.

kusee pee

1,021 posts

232 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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I've similarly hunted for film footage of Bellof's lap to no avail. The in-car 956 DVD is a must-buy and Bell's lap is impressive and very exciting.

Racefan_uk

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285 months

Sunday 6th April 2008
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tank slapper said:
Truckosaurus said:
Wasn't Derek Bell filmed lap for "In Car 956" something like the 4th or 5th quickest ever lap?
Yes here it is. A lap in 6:41 which still looks fairly silly.
rofl
1m40 in 'Oh, there's Jacky Ickx, he's going very fast, because he doesn't have a camera in his car...'

It's not like Bell's fking hanging around, is it?

roflyikes

MM2200

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264 posts

225 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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I saw that Derek Bell one, which made me think it unlikely there would be any in car footage of BellOFs. (oustanding video though!)

In car would obviously be the most desirable, but being that its almost certainly non-existent, I'd love to see even outside footage of either the qualifying lap or the race lap.

Amazing cars those..

Eric Mc said:
Where?

The Nurbugring?
Where else?! wink

Edited by MM2200 on Monday 7th April 08:48


Edited by MM2200 on Monday 7th April 08:50

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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the best bit of in car 956 is at kylami where he gts a big sideways moment all tidied up... bell was awesome.

MM2200

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225 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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Yes, one of the better driving videos I've seen and one that makes me lament the fact that there seems no available footage of Bellofs lap, for it must have been mind-blowing.

On the Derek Bell video again; is he actually talking while driving? He sounds too calm and his voice un-laboured, especially when pulling high G's.. it must be dubbed over. Though I think talking while driving is the impression you're meant to be given by the editing.

Another thing that impresses me is just how dead flat the car stays throughout, even when going over crests at incredible speed, it just stays stuck.

I know there are a millions reasons why an f1 style competition with no technological restrictions would not work, yet I can't help but wonder at what the premiere automobile engineers of today could come up with were it to become a reality... The thought of what kind of performance those cars would have (if you could still call them cars!) is very exciting.


SamHH

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245 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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MM2200 said:
On the Derek Bell video again; is he actually talking while driving? He sounds too calm and his voice un-laboured, especially when pulling high G's.. it must be dubbed over. Though I think talking while driving is the impression you're meant to be given by the editing.
I don't know: it always seemed very clear to me that it was dubbed. I didn't get the impression the video producers were trying to make it seem like he was narrating whilst driving.

MM2200

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264 posts

225 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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SamHH said:
MM2200 said:
On the Derek Bell video again; is he actually talking while driving? He sounds too calm and his voice un-laboured, especially when pulling high G's.. it must be dubbed over. Though I think talking while driving is the impression you're meant to be given by the editing.
I don't know: it always seemed very clear to me that it was dubbed. I didn't get the impression the video producers were trying to make it seem like he was narrating whilst driving.
For the majority of the video I would agree. The exception is the "Oh, theres Jacky Ickx" as if he's only seen him there for the first time - and the fact he's talking in present tense throughout, even if it sounds dubbed.

Edited by MM2200 on Monday 7th April 09:11

RobM77

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263 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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He's dubbed on the ring video, but is talking his way through on others from the DVD. DVD? Well, if you don't have it already, get yourself a copy of "In-car 956" yes I never thought straight line speed was interesting till I saw Bell at well over 200mph down the Mulsanne straight! eek

MrKipling43

5,788 posts

245 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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That's ace.

Love this comment: "This used to be quite a big jump years ago, but as you can see they've flattened it out and it's not very exciting any more"

Legend.

TIGA84

5,584 posts

260 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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RobM77 said:
He's dubbed on the ring video, but is talking his way through on others from the DVD. DVD? Well, if you don't have it already, get yourself a copy of "In-car 956" yes I never thought straight line speed was interesting till I saw Bell at well over 200mph down the Mulsanne straight! eek
over 240!!

I dont think Bellofs' lap was ever filmed in car, there may be some bits from normal cameras, but I think Bells' was the fastest in car film.

Amazing to think Bellof found 30s extra.......!!!!

Anyone got the Kyalami link?

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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TIGA84 said:
RobM77 said:
He's dubbed on the ring video, but is talking his way through on others from the DVD. DVD? Well, if you don't have it already, get yourself a copy of "In-car 956" yes I never thought straight line speed was interesting till I saw Bell at well over 200mph down the Mulsanne straight! eek
over 240!!

I dont think Bellofs' lap was ever filmed in car, there may be some bits from normal cameras, but I think Bells' was the fastest in car film.

Amazing to think Bellof found 30s extra.......!!!!

Anyone got the Kyalami link?
dont think a 956/962 ever got to 240, even a long tail. the WM Peugeot (not the 905) was the first to clock 400kpm in qualifying in the late eighties or very early ninetines and that was just for the glory, it had no intention of lasting the race.