Speeding Police Officers "Must be Punished"

[tonyrec]

Just what is going on here?

Two Police Officers have for want of a better phrase,'got off with a speeding offence on a technicality' and the Local Authority Chief Executive wants them reprimanded by their Chief Constable.

Apparently they were exceeding a 50mph limit which was in force and were captured by a Speed Camera (read Revenue Collector).
Problem was that the signs put out by the Council were not conforming to the Road Traffic Regulation Act in that they were ringed with a black circle, rendering them unlawful.

I say good on the 2 men.......in fact what should be happening is that the Chief Executive should be bo******g his own employees for not obeying the simple rules instead of hounding 2 normally law abiding citizens for doing what you or i would do, (Exploring all available avenues to negate the speeding allegation and not speeding itself )

I suggest that he puts his time to good use and has a revue of all his Counties road signs...after all, its going to cost them thousands in lost revenue.

[Don]

I think you may have opened up a can of worms here...

Frankly this Speed Kills revenue generation is beginning to make me very, very angry.

Yesterday I was a witness to a nasty accident and it wasn't speed that caused it - it was stupidity. At the time the accident happened the car involved was almost certainly doing under the speed-limit...although I'm sure it had been going faster before...

When you get reminded personally and right in-yer-face how accidents happen it makes me furious that instead of doing something about it - we have the petty persecution of honest people...including members of the Emergency Services going about their business.

God knows how we fix this. But the lads I saw injured yesterday might not have had their prang with a small amount of tuition and an attitude adjustment..and a sodding speed camera wasn't going to do anything about it...

I am disgusted...

[deltaf]

Well, no one is safe from the "persecution squads" anymore.
Sounded like a reeeeaaalll smart idea to some peckerhead sitting in an orifice somewhere... "Lets fcuk over loads of drivers and disguise the policy under the heading of Road Safety".

The choices are quite clear i would say, petition the government and get rid of these infernal devices and "the partnerships" (theyre nothing more than leaglised mafioso) or just sit there and cry about it.
I know what IM gonna do.

[tonybav]

I agree a 100% tonyrec. I also notice the spped camera signs in Chelmsford also have black borders, I feel I may have to research this further.

[lucozade]

I say well done to the two coppers!

[superlightr]

mungo said:

F***ing speed camera's!!!! The other day I came off the M3 and joined the bottom of the A34 turning off to the A33 to Basingstoke - 50 limit, nice road I'm doing about 70ish safely - No side turning etc etc... no speed camera warning signs, nothing... ALL OF A SUDDEN there was a speed camera 10 yards in front of me - NO FCUKING WARNING!!! - I hit my brake pedal hard and braked from 70 to 50 in a very very short time! Basically if anyone was behind me, they'd have gone straight up the back of my car and that camera would have CAUSED a road accident! Absolutely pathetic!

Have to disagree with our respected Mungo, The camera would not have caused the accident but your heavy breaking/someone else driving too close to you combination.

I hate cameras etc as much as the next PH, and have braked hard as well.

Im sure if there was an accident due to heavy breaking for a speek camera I dont think this would give me/you a valid defence in court.

[206xsi]

deltaf said:

The choices are quite clear i would say, petition the government and get rid of these infernal devices and "the partnerships" (theyre nothing more than leaglised mafioso) or just sit there and cry about it. I know what IM gonna do.

Deltaf, are you organising something then?

Are there any moderators who can provide stats on the number of PHers? Surely we can count on getting at least 50% of them to sign something...

I sent an email to conservative party begging for help on this. Reply came from IDS's office (apparently).

------------------------------------

Mr Duncan Smith has asked me to thank you for your email and to reply on his
behalf.

He is very grateful to you for drawing this matter to his attention, which
he has carefully noted.

Thank you again for writing.

*** *******
Correspondence Secretary

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Thing is - does the email really mean anything and can we really trust anyone who is in power....

[tonyrec]

superlightr said:

mungo said: F***ing speed camera's!!!! The other day I came off the M3 and joined the bottom of the A34 turning off to the A33 to Basingstoke - 50 limit, nice road I'm doing about 70ish safely - No side turning etc etc... no speed camera warning signs, nothing... ALL OF A SUDDEN there was a speed camera 10 yards in front of me - NO FCUKING WARNING!!! - I hit my brake pedal hard and braked from 70 to 50 in a very very short time! Basically if anyone was behind me, they'd have gone straight up the back of my car and that camera would have CAUSED a road accident! Absolutely pathetic! Have to disagree with our respected Mungo, The camera would not have caused the accident but your heavy breaking/someone else driving too close to you combination. I hate cameras etc as much as the next PH, and have braked hard as well. Im sure if there was an accident due to heavy breaking for a speek camera I dont think this would give me/you a valid defence in court.

I have to disagree too as much as i hate them, the cause of the 'would be accident' would have been lack of observation, sadly.

[206xsi]

Now we know where they make them, shall we form a noisy rabble hell bent on revenge, armed with Molotovs?




(note to all BiB and any other concernced individuals - this was a joke - but why do I even need to write disclaimers in this day and age...)

[CarZee]

Personally I'd like to see all those responsible for this whole phenomenon beaten, skinned and rolled in salt, then sold to the Koreans as a delicacy.

[JMGS4]

CarZee said:

Personally I'd like to see all those responsible for this whole phenomenon beaten, skinned and rolled in salt, then sold to the Koreans as a delicacy.

Don't forget to wrap them in a pigskin and sever the head, then they'll never get to Valhalla!

[granville]

CarZee said:

Personally I'd like to see all those responsible for this whole phenomenon beaten, skinned and rolled in salt, then sold to the Koreans as a delicacy.

Our Taoist furniture arranger may have entirely refined the whole basis of local debate in such matters.

You know, I was re-reading an old copy of EVO, in which a certain S.Hounslow, tribal leader of the T2K national socialists, was given free reign to spleen vent against the ethos of the performance car.

Like Don Corleone, above, I was incandescent with hatred at the cast-iron, pig ignorant 'anti' resolution of this goon. If 'er there was an ideological impasse worthy of civil war, I wonder whether this might not provide the necessary impetus?

For it represents so basic an infringement of basic liberty that I for one, would rather tie myself to the last Newport Pagnell built Royalist cannon, armed with naught but a single round of shot and some damp powder, facing 10,000 New Model Armians, than capitulate my right to lay down rubber, on the sacrificial altar of these bastards' vile intent.

God raise Uther Pendragon and smite these vagabonds from the conscience of his realm.

Hail and, indeed, kill.

[deltaf]

CarZee said:

Personally I'd like to see all those responsible for this whole phenomenon beaten, skinned and rolled in salt, then sold to the Koreans as a delicacy.

Preferably labelled "dog"..........

[pbrettle]

tonyrec said:

Just what is going on here? Two Police Officers have for want of a better phrase,'got off with a speeding offence on a technicality' and the Local Authority Chief Executive wants them reprimanded by their Chief Constable. Apparently they were exceeding a 50mph limit which was in force and were captured by a Speed Camera (read Revenue Collector). Problem was that the signs put out by the Council were not conforming to the Road Traffic Regulation Act in that they were ringed with a black circle, rendering them unlawful. I say good on the 2 men.......in fact what should be happening is that the Chief Executive should be bo******g his own employees for not obeying the simple rules instead of hounding 2 normally law abiding citizens for doing what you or i would do, (Exploring all available avenues to negate the speeding allegation and not speeding itself ) I suggest that he puts his time to good use and has a revue of all his Counties road signs...after all, its going to cost them thousands in lost revenue.

What you dont mention is that they would have been hauled over the coals by their commanding officers anyway. There is a lot more that the Police force can do to a Policeman than a court can ever do - sacking, pulling of rank / money / pay / position / benefits / job etc etc etc....

Chances are that these two, although free of a speeding conviction, will have some serious greif.

[d_drinks]

okay fair play they got off but how many of us i.e. members of the public would get away with it? If you get a ticket are you likely to seek legal council and find out if the posted sign or anything else is iffy? It's unlikley given the money involved to obtain the services of a brief.

Good in that they were able to avoid the affects of the scamera but not likely to be the same for you or me is it?

[206xsi]

d_drinks said:

Good in that they were able to avoid the affects of the scamera but not likely to be the same for you or me is it?

Just read www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=52636&f=10&h=0 for some DIY hints then, there are 2 good links on how to judge if things are legal

[tigerk]

I heard this story on Five Live yesterday. The best bit is that it was one of their colleagues in the traffic division who brought it to their attention that the signs, which have been in place since before a change in the specification for the signs in 2001, didn't meet the current regulations.

I wonder how many people the traffic cop has seen charged and fined when he knew that the signs didn't meet the regs, and kept quiet?

One law for the public, another law for the law enforcers!

[toad_oftoadhall]

http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0001head/content_objectid=13287481_method=full_siteid=50080_headline=-Claims-set-to-pour-in-name_page.html

[tonyrec]

tigerk said:

I heard this story on Five Live yesterday. The best bit is that it was one of their colleagues in the traffic division who brought it to their attention that the signs, which have been in place since before a change in the specification for the signs in 2001, didn't meet the current regulations. I wonder how many people the traffic cop has seen charged and fined when he knew that the signs didn't meet the regs, and kept quiet? One law for the public, another law for the law enforcers!

Dont forget, Honesty and Integrity.

[pbrettle]

tigerk said:

I heard this story on Five Live yesterday. The best bit is that it was one of their colleagues in the traffic division who brought it to their attention that the signs, which have been in place since before a change in the specification for the signs in 2001, didn't meet the current regulations. I wonder how many people the traffic cop has seen charged and fined when he knew that the signs didn't meet the regs, and kept quiet? One law for the public, another law for the law enforcers!

Yes and no - understand the underlying tone of the comment, but there are benefits to whatever business that you are in - in this case they are Police and understand the legality of certain signage..... therefore avoiding a speeding conviction...

But, if you are a plumber then you can do plumbing (or notice when its crap), if you are a solicitor then you can do legal stuff and if you work in computers then it is likely that you can get cheap computer kit.... the benefit of being a policeman might be small, but it does sort out weigh up the crap that they might otherwise get....

I wonder how many other solicitors and the like who have avoided prosecution for speeding and dont share the details with us, the great unwashed public...?