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ro55ifumi

Original Poster:

34 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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A few questions that i need help with after driving a caterham i looked at ???

The car felt and sounded as if the prop shaft was banging against the tunnel is this normal??

Rear arches and front wings how much are they to replace??

The car has a quaiffe box, arp racing clutch,live axle, the clutch comes in with a "bang" is this normal??

Any advice appreciated thanks

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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The prop shaft certainly doesn't bang against the tunnel (or sound like it) on my live axle Seven.

I'd try and get to drive a few more if I were you.

RobM77

35,349 posts

235 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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Rear and front wings are fairly cheap. The rears just bolt onto the bodywork and I think they're under a hundred pounds each, and the fronts are even simpler and cost even less than that. When I bought my first seven I looked into it and it was £70 each for rears and £40 for fronts. That was 6 years ago, so it's probably more than that now. Funny thing is though that even now I've got a racing Caterham I've never actually cracked one or needed a replacement!

I've never heard banging under the transmission tunnel in a Caterham! That sounds odd.

As Eric says, drive a few before you buy. Caterhams can vary quite a bit; you get some cherished ones and some abused ones. Equally, the tiniest changes in setup can make them feel totally different to drive.

I'd reccomend looking at Caterham's stock. They're all original, usualyl in excellent condition, you get a warranty, comeback if something should be wrong, and they're very honestly priced with only a small markup.

andya7

190 posts

217 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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Just a quick question...

What engine is in the car? Only reason I ask is that the box & clutch seem quite 'expensive' and I would read into that that the engine may be a little uprated too?

Problem with uprated engines & live axles is that the half shafts are a potential weak point. Caterham Graduate/Classic car is the live axle version and there are usually a couple of incidents during the year with wheels leaving cars... with only 100bhp!

ro55ifumi

Original Poster:

34 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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It's a blue printed crossflow motor and yes the other bits are expensive bits!! just been in to my local 7 dealer who will for a fee take a look at it, if the seller agrees!! forgot to mention has anyone converted the hand brake from the passenger footwell to the centre tunnel as i believe the first early caterhams had them built in that position

andya7

190 posts

217 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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Any idea what kind of horsepower it is putting out? Again the live axle isn't the strongest and with 'stickier' tyres will put additional force onto it. Is the axle an 'Ital' axle or has it been changed to an English/Escort 'live' axle?

With regards to the handbrake location, it had been in that position (under dash) until 2000 then (I believe) that the rules & regs changed for SVA - something about not being able to reach it when belted up (dont quote me though?) - to change it would be difficult and cost prohibitive. You could speak to Arch Motors (Huntingdon) for a definitive answer though.

Why do you want to change its location?

The handbrake in the middle requires several chassis tubes which in turn mean that it is very rigid, if you get a side impact then your pelvis has 'nowhere to go' (guess the consequence) whereas with the under dash handbrake the central section is aluminium, which will crumple if the above should happen. Hence why the race chassis retained the under dash handbrake... although I think that they are all central mounted i.e. Academy cars.

ro55ifumi

Original Poster:

34 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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Andy i believe its the english live axle it's been converted to disc so runs 8 inch rims!!! i think it's in excess of 160 bhp, just want to make sure i dont buy a money pit!!

andya7

190 posts

217 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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Well you will be ok with the English axle & that power, my apologies but I presumed that it was the 'Post Ofice Ital Van' axle smile

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Wednesday 30th April 2008
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Will this be your first Caterham? If it is, you appear to be buying a rather extreme car with a spec that will make it hard to sell on...and almost certainly a car that has raced at some time in its life. It sounds like it has a competition clutch too. Is the Quaife the 5 speed manual or a sequential? Does it howl in every gear except 4th for instance?


Who's your local Caterham dealer?

May I ask how much you are looknig to pay for this car - do you have a link to the site where it's being advertised?

Edited by rubystone on Wednesday 30th April 10:50

Noger

7,117 posts

250 months

Wednesday 30th April 2008
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I would have said the "thunk" could have been the half-shafts moving on corners, had it been an Ital. Easy to fix with some shims.

It does seem quite a specialised car. Definately worth getting a drive in some others, and someone else to have a look. It could be a bargain, as others have said the more messed about from original sevens do take a price drop.

p.s. Don't understand all this Ital-hate smile Shims, the secret oil seal magic trick, jobs a good un smile Just don't catch some single wheel air over track kerbs and you are fine.

ro55ifumi

Original Poster:

34 posts

196 months

Wednesday 30th April 2008
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/480173.htm yes my first caterham purchase and Nobles is my local dealer, straight cut 4 speed box, the owner also has a sprint engine too!!! maybe i need to see a few more?? £10:000 budget

RMac

347 posts

222 months

Wednesday 30th April 2008
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Don't think you can go far wrong with a £7k caterham.

I would personally be finding something with a k series in it as a first car but you shouldn;t lose a fortune on that one.

BertBert

19,120 posts

212 months

Wednesday 30th April 2008
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There are two possibilities with a car like this. It's either a specialist car that has been well put together and modded over the years. Or it's complete ste.

It's cheap, but one of the above will be a very painful/expensive owner experience!

It's worth getting an expert opinion as it is cheap, but it's probable that you would be better off with a more standard, mainstream car.

I'd get it checked out.

Bert

Noger

7,117 posts

250 months

Thursday 1st May 2008
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No Numberplate ? Slightly odd wording in the text ? Racing Clutch yet spare wheel and screens etc ? Normally seven owners selling go overboard on descriptions of all the bits.

Not suggesting it is in any way dodgy, but worth being careful.

ro55ifumi

Original Poster:

34 posts

196 months

Thursday 1st May 2008
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Been and seen the car it's on a q plate just concerned about the banging in the tunnel and the race orientation of the car!!

RobM77

35,349 posts

235 months

Thursday 1st May 2008
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How many have you looked at? There are plenty of Caterhams out there in immaculate condition that won't cause you any concern at all. I'd advise going to see a few more before making a buying decision. Do look at Caterham Cars' stock too, they're not hugely marked up like some official dealer stock is.

ro55ifumi

Original Poster:

34 posts

196 months

Thursday 1st May 2008
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Hoping to go to Stoneliegh at the weekend, and see a few more.

RobM77

35,349 posts

235 months

Thursday 1st May 2008
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ro55ifumi said:
Hoping to go to Stoneliegh at the weekend, and see a few more.
yes Also maybe pop along to your local Lotus 7 Club meet. It's the best car club out there IMHO. Most local meets have 10 to 20 cars in attendance, and owners are normally only too happy to show you round them. It'll give you a flavour of what's out there.

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Friday 2nd May 2008
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Quite a few Sevens up to the late 1990s, when the old solid rear axle line was finally discontinued, are on "Q" plates (like mine). The "Q" plate in itself is not a problem when dealing with Caterhams. The provenance, specification and condition of the car itself are the main things.

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Friday 2nd May 2008
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Cheap car maybe - depends on how straight it is - on ACB10s too isn't it? I don't like those on the road they tramline too much but on track are great.

As others have said, £7k isn't expensive. I don't understand why the propshaft bangs on the tunnel though - seems a little odd - almost as if the drivetrain isn't aligned properly?