Speeding, speed kills...
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Hi,
I'm becoming a regular here and notice people's absolute contempt for the Speed Kills campaign and the camera's.
Personally I think that camera's are fine if you don't break the law but Police men would be much better to offer a little leience where conditions allow, but agree completely that the Speed Kills campaign needs to be changed to represent safer driving rather than speeding.
What do you reckon they should do?
Stefan
I'm becoming a regular here and notice people's absolute contempt for the Speed Kills campaign and the camera's.
Personally I think that camera's are fine if you don't break the law but Police men would be much better to offer a little leience where conditions allow, but agree completely that the Speed Kills campaign needs to be changed to represent safer driving rather than speeding.
What do you reckon they should do?
Stefan
Not sure if this was planted to raise emotions....
Stefan, the underlying opinion (someone tell me if I'm wrong) is that cameras have a time and a place - that being sited in accident blackspots with good warning.
However, I feel that the majority vehemently oppose the current use of cameras to gain revenue for local councils/police forces/HM Government. (probably in reverse order)
PHers, as a rule, seem to embrace the ideas of police officers, on the roads, in patrol cars, stopping and educating bad drivers.
As I said, someone tell me if I'm wrong.
Let the battle commence
Stefan, the underlying opinion (someone tell me if I'm wrong) is that cameras have a time and a place - that being sited in accident blackspots with good warning.
However, I feel that the majority vehemently oppose the current use of cameras to gain revenue for local councils/police forces/HM Government. (probably in reverse order)
PHers, as a rule, seem to embrace the ideas of police officers, on the roads, in patrol cars, stopping and educating bad drivers.
As I said, someone tell me if I'm wrong.
Let the battle commence
206xsi said:
PHers, as a rule, seem to embrace the ideas of police officers, on the roads, in patrol cars, stopping and educating bad drivers.
No problem there, but they don't do it. Our obsession with reducing police numbers and increasing efficiecy means that the sort of drivers I noted above do NOT get stopped. Police performance stats can be made to work by reducing cameras to 35 on a 30 and introducing tax evasion cameras with a private contractor changing and maintaining the film. Ever reducing numbers of traffic police will actually be on the road dealing with the real pra77s
Stefan, what we also have to put up with is unrealistic limits set by inexperienced local councils, often contrary to the BiB's advice.
There are simply applied guidelines that help determine the speed limit by looking at factors such as the speed people actually drive at combined with the number and types of hazard present. These guidlines are commonly known as the 85 percentile rule. All too often these guidelines are being misguidedly ignored.
In our utopia we'd have realistic limits policed in a fair manner. I leave other contributors to describe the current situation.
There are simply applied guidelines that help determine the speed limit by looking at factors such as the speed people actually drive at combined with the number and types of hazard present. These guidlines are commonly known as the 85 percentile rule. All too often these guidelines are being misguidedly ignored.
In our utopia we'd have realistic limits policed in a fair manner. I leave other contributors to describe the current situation.
I overtook a traffic car, and 2 numpties in the same move last night, didn't get pulled. Then again, they were doing 40mph in a 60... and it was the classic perfect overtake.
My missus thought it was going to get me pulled up, but it wouldn't have bothered me all that much - would have had a good chat.
C
My missus thought it was going to get me pulled up, but it wouldn't have bothered me all that much - would have had a good chat.
C
hertsbiker said:
I overtook a traffic car, and 2 numpties in the same move last night, didn't get pulled. Then again, they were doing 40mph in a 60... and it was the classic perfect overtake.
My missus thought it was going to get me pulled up, but it wouldn't have bothered me all that much - would have had a good chat.
C
Why did she think you would get pulled up? For overtaking? Within the limit?
Did she say to you "Think of the children?"
docevi1 said:
it wasn't meant to raise emotions, I just want to understand why you get so annoyed thats all.
Stefan
It's very simple. The government are gaining revenue from speeding motorists under the pretence that it is improving road safety, when no-one has actually seen any evidience of this (quite the contrary in fact, looking at the "bad driving" threads).
Combine this with the massive amount of tax put on fuel, road fund tax, and the pi$$ poor state of the road system in general and the motorist is being ripped off on a daily basis.
fair enough makes sense.
What is the suggestion to be rectify reckless driving? I know people want more Police on the streets (walking) and more cops on the roads to offer descretion at offences but where do you suggest they come from?
I'm a member over at BritishRally.co.uk and they don't really explain why they are so peeed off at the system, just say it's "bad".
One question, do you believe it is possible to drive within the limits of the law (i.e. keep to the speed limits with only occasional accidental speedings or legal speeding (overtaking)).
Stefan
What is the suggestion to be rectify reckless driving? I know people want more Police on the streets (walking) and more cops on the roads to offer descretion at offences but where do you suggest they come from?
I'm a member over at BritishRally.co.uk and they don't really explain why they are so peeed off at the system, just say it's "bad".
One question, do you believe it is possible to drive within the limits of the law (i.e. keep to the speed limits with only occasional accidental speedings or legal speeding (overtaking)).
Stefan
bollocks ( meant, I should have read my post again, that made no sense 
), legal speeding is something that can be contested, i.e. when overtaking I was always told that it is acceptable and safer to accelerate past the car, breaking the limit if required to minimise the time on the wrong side of the road then slow to the correct speed.
Yes it's illegal in the true sense of the word but safer. I was told that by a PoliceMan
edit : cos I re-read it
Stefan
>> Edited by docevi1 on Friday 15th August 13:44
>> Edited by docevi1 on Friday 15th August 13:45
), legal speeding is something that can be contested, i.e. when overtaking I was always told that it is acceptable and safer to accelerate past the car, breaking the limit if required to minimise the time on the wrong side of the road then slow to the correct speed. Yes it's illegal in the true sense of the word but safer. I was told that by a PoliceMan
edit : cos I re-read it
Stefan
>> Edited by docevi1 on Friday 15th August 13:44
>> Edited by docevi1 on Friday 15th August 13:45
docevi1 said:
One question, do you believe it is possible to drive within the limits of the law (i.e. keep to the speed limits with only occasional accidental speedings or legal speeding (overtaking)).
Stefan
Of course it is. I usually do.
Only time I'll ever utterly ignore a speed limit is on a stretch of road I've vast experience of, that I can see there are no other cars in my patch, that I can stop within my line of sight, and that I've already checked for obstructions/talivans.
Even then I'm aware that there is the possibility of someone doing exactly the same thing I am, or that an animal will make a sudden appearance, and drive cautiously.
MR2Mike said:
Combine this with the massive amount of tax put on fuel, road fund tax, and the pi$$ poor state of the road system in general and the motorist is being ripped off on a daily basis.
Someone was telling me the other day that road maintenance/minimum condition was related to speed of the road. i.e. a M'way needed to be well maintained but a 30 could be V.poor - therefore : If you lower the speed limits, you don't need to do so much maintenance. Coupled with more roads being transferred to local authority control the result for Bliar = Cost Savings...
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