Bad driving Kills - Not Speed
Discussion
I know that its been said many many times before but i thought that i would start a thread about bad driving and not speed.
The other day i drove past a small white van parked on a disused Garage forecourt entrance on a Dualcarriageway which has been speed marked down to 40mph. The Nationals start about 50m further past the van.
This was on the outskirts of Luton and yes, this was a Talivan.
In my professional capacity i can categorically say that due to its position it was there for one reason and one reason only......REVENUE.
I have seen it parked at that location off and on for about 2 months now, sometimes at 7am in the morning, a Saturday morning at that.
To be honest, it makes me sad everytime i see it because this stretch of road could and should take a National limit so much earlier (no turnings etc etc) and its as straight as an arrow.
What i would like to see is an increase of unmarked Traffic cars out on patrol catching the real pis*****s.
As far as im concerned, the unmarked cars at our garage should be almost priority vehicles apart from the Motorway cars obviously.
I can go on forever telling stories about bad driving but you have all heard them before......point is, why is the Government hell bent on persecuting speeders (sorry, meant to say normally law abiding citizens who tax, insure and register their vehicles) but who sadly get caught doing 47mph in a 40mph limit on a road that should be a national limit anyway.
The answer is simple......EASY TARGETS, coupled to the fact that a normal Talivan can do 300 prosecutions in 2-3 hours every day of the year.
Or is this just me being naieve?
The other day i drove past a small white van parked on a disused Garage forecourt entrance on a Dualcarriageway which has been speed marked down to 40mph. The Nationals start about 50m further past the van.
This was on the outskirts of Luton and yes, this was a Talivan.
In my professional capacity i can categorically say that due to its position it was there for one reason and one reason only......REVENUE.
I have seen it parked at that location off and on for about 2 months now, sometimes at 7am in the morning, a Saturday morning at that.
To be honest, it makes me sad everytime i see it because this stretch of road could and should take a National limit so much earlier (no turnings etc etc) and its as straight as an arrow.
What i would like to see is an increase of unmarked Traffic cars out on patrol catching the real pis*****s.
As far as im concerned, the unmarked cars at our garage should be almost priority vehicles apart from the Motorway cars obviously.
I can go on forever telling stories about bad driving but you have all heard them before......point is, why is the Government hell bent on persecuting speeders (sorry, meant to say normally law abiding citizens who tax, insure and register their vehicles) but who sadly get caught doing 47mph in a 40mph limit on a road that should be a national limit anyway.
The answer is simple......EASY TARGETS, coupled to the fact that a normal Talivan can do 300 prosecutions in 2-3 hours every day of the year.
Or is this just me being naieve?
There was a very suspicious looking van on the hard shoulder of the M25 this morning. Not sure which junction, I was going Anticlockwise, was between the 2 junctions after the roadworks round by Junction 26 27 I think.
It is the cameras like the one that Tonyrec mentions that are giving cameras such a bad name. However if they do start issuing millions of tickets a year it won't be long until no one is left driving to be caught!
It is the cameras like the one that Tonyrec mentions that are giving cameras such a bad name. However if they do start issuing millions of tickets a year it won't be long until no one is left driving to be caught!
spnracing said:
So what have you done about this talivan? - apart from put a post on here about it where everyone will agree with you?
Have you written to the local council about the speed limit discrepancy?
Dont be silly.........
Its not parked in a dangerous position its just catching people who speed at the end of the day.
In reality what i say wont make a blind bit of difference will it ???
Everyone has their own opinions and im not about to start out on a one man crusade or anything like that.
It would be like holding a loaded gun and shooting yourself in the foot for no reason whatsover.
Im not too keen on your inference that im saying things on here just to get support.
If you read my past threads you will see that ive battled well whilst towing the party line but on this forum i feel that i can speak the way i want too....not the way my employers want me too.....get my drift!
I went on a complete hoon through Derbyshire today and was wide open for a speeding ticket.
But easily avoided the Talivan (reduced speed limit) and some truvelos.
But an unmarked would have got me easy.
I only hope that an unmarked would see that my 'over limit' speed was not taking the mick considering the circs.
And would catch the complete tits that were causing mayhem out of sight of the cameras.
But easily avoided the Talivan (reduced speed limit) and some truvelos.
But an unmarked would have got me easy.
I only hope that an unmarked would see that my 'over limit' speed was not taking the mick considering the circs.
And would catch the complete tits that were causing mayhem out of sight of the cameras.
Sadly, i feel that Talivans and Speed Cameras are only going to increase in popularity!!.
If there are 100 Talivans out and about (not including Speed cameras) each doing 300 X £60 Prosecutions a day then by my calculations thats £1,800,000.
Not bad for a days work eh?
I wonder out of how many of these are sited at known Accident blackspots and are doing a genuinely good job?
I must add though that i wholehartedly agree with the Gatsos sited at ATS, even though that these too wont catch Mr Uninsured or Mr No Licence.
If there are 100 Talivans out and about (not including Speed cameras) each doing 300 X £60 Prosecutions a day then by my calculations thats £1,800,000.
Not bad for a days work eh?
I wonder out of how many of these are sited at known Accident blackspots and are doing a genuinely good job?
I must add though that i wholehartedly agree with the Gatsos sited at ATS, even though that these too wont catch Mr Uninsured or Mr No Licence.
The worst by product of all these talivans taking the pi55 is that it allinates the public against the police.I know its not the poice who are mainly responsible, but this is the way people think
This is going to cause the police great difficulty when they want/need the general publics help
This is going to cause the police great difficulty when they want/need the general publics help
Remember drink-driving used to be 'OK' (many moons ago). I don't know anyone who drink drives these days (or at least admits to). This is a good thing because it really is difficult to steer and change gear when holding one hand over an eye
Jokes aside - like they did with DD - the government are hell bent on moving speeding from 'OK' to 'socially unacceptable'. Except they are finding this difficult because
a) there's no real statistical evidence that links slower speeds = fewer deaths
b) they are hitting decent, otherwise law-abiding people in the pocket, which pi**es them off
c) the perception of the everyday motorist is actually swinging in the other direction, as we all become more skeptical of their motives
What the government need is another 'Drink-Driving' to quash. They need to change the perception of the motorist from 'the government are money grabbing wa*k**s who prey on the innocent' to 'the government have made our roads safer by doing this'.
What should their target be? I'm with Tonyrec on this one - they should target Bad Driving. The budgets and resources spent on catching speeding offences should be used to stop bad driving. Talivans really would park in places that have high accident rates, and roll video to catch the to**ers who through bad driving cause the accidents! How about setting up a 'bad driving' hotline so we can all shop the twat we just saw overtaking on a pedestrian crossing outside a school at kicking-out time.
There's not a petition in the UK that will stop the government's persecution of the speeding motorist. What will stop them persecuting speed is giving them an alternative target that will win government votes while making the roads safer at the same time.
Anyone know Tony B well enough to let him know?
Jokes aside - like they did with DD - the government are hell bent on moving speeding from 'OK' to 'socially unacceptable'. Except they are finding this difficult because
a) there's no real statistical evidence that links slower speeds = fewer deaths
b) they are hitting decent, otherwise law-abiding people in the pocket, which pi**es them off
c) the perception of the everyday motorist is actually swinging in the other direction, as we all become more skeptical of their motives
What the government need is another 'Drink-Driving' to quash. They need to change the perception of the motorist from 'the government are money grabbing wa*k**s who prey on the innocent' to 'the government have made our roads safer by doing this'.
What should their target be? I'm with Tonyrec on this one - they should target Bad Driving. The budgets and resources spent on catching speeding offences should be used to stop bad driving. Talivans really would park in places that have high accident rates, and roll video to catch the to**ers who through bad driving cause the accidents! How about setting up a 'bad driving' hotline so we can all shop the twat we just saw overtaking on a pedestrian crossing outside a school at kicking-out time.
There's not a petition in the UK that will stop the government's persecution of the speeding motorist. What will stop them persecuting speed is giving them an alternative target that will win government votes while making the roads safer at the same time.
Anyone know Tony B well enough to let him know?
[quote=tonyrec]I know that its been said many many times before but i thought that i would start a thread about bad driving and not speed.
The other day i drove past a small white van parked on a disused Garage forecourt entrance on a Dualcarriageway which has been speed marked down to 40mph. The Nationals start about 50m further past the van.
This was on the outskirts of Luton and yes, this was a Talivan.
In my professional capacity i can categorically say that due to its position it was there for one reason and one reason only......REVENUE.
I have seen it parked at that location off and on for about 2 months now, sometimes at 7am in the morning, a Saturday morning at that.
To be honest, it makes me sad everytime i see it because this stretch of road could and should take a National limit so much earlier (no turnings etc etc) and its as straight as an arrow.
What i would like to see is an increase of unmarked Traffic cars out on patrol catching the real pis*****s.
As far as im concerned, the unmarked cars at our garage should be almost priority vehicles apart from the Motorway cars obviously.
I can go on forever telling stories about bad driving but you have all heard them before......point is, why is the Government hell bent on persecuting speeders (sorry, meant to say normally law abiding citizens who tax, insure and register their vehicles) but who sadly get caught doing 47mph in a 40mph limit on a road that should be a national limit anyway.
The answer is simple......EASY TARGETS, coupled to the fact that a normal Talivan can do 300 prosecutions in 2-3 hours every day of the year.
Or is this just me being naieve?[/quote
I take it your are talking about Hitchin road
BEFOR THEY PARKED THE VAN THERE THEY USED TO HIDE IN BUSHS AT THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
totaly out Of view
all so know to block one lane of the carage way with the van as well
and hide further up the road.
if wee are talking about the same place if seen em as close as 20 yards from the 60 /nsl zone.
had a nip as well from there
Did I pay It
did i ****
>> Edited by outlaw on Friday 15th August 00:14
The other day i drove past a small white van parked on a disused Garage forecourt entrance on a Dualcarriageway which has been speed marked down to 40mph. The Nationals start about 50m further past the van.
This was on the outskirts of Luton and yes, this was a Talivan.
In my professional capacity i can categorically say that due to its position it was there for one reason and one reason only......REVENUE.
I have seen it parked at that location off and on for about 2 months now, sometimes at 7am in the morning, a Saturday morning at that.
To be honest, it makes me sad everytime i see it because this stretch of road could and should take a National limit so much earlier (no turnings etc etc) and its as straight as an arrow.
What i would like to see is an increase of unmarked Traffic cars out on patrol catching the real pis*****s.
As far as im concerned, the unmarked cars at our garage should be almost priority vehicles apart from the Motorway cars obviously.
I can go on forever telling stories about bad driving but you have all heard them before......point is, why is the Government hell bent on persecuting speeders (sorry, meant to say normally law abiding citizens who tax, insure and register their vehicles) but who sadly get caught doing 47mph in a 40mph limit on a road that should be a national limit anyway.
The answer is simple......EASY TARGETS, coupled to the fact that a normal Talivan can do 300 prosecutions in 2-3 hours every day of the year.
Or is this just me being naieve?
[/quote I take it your are talking about Hitchin road
BEFOR THEY PARKED THE VAN THERE THEY USED TO HIDE IN BUSHS AT THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
totaly out Of view
all so know to block one lane of the carage way with the van as well
and hide further up the road.
if wee are talking about the same place if seen em as close as 20 yards from the 60 /nsl zone.
had a nip as well from there
Did I pay It
did i ****
>> Edited by outlaw on Friday 15th August 00:14
tonyrec said:
Im not too keen on your inference that im saying things on here just to get support.
Thats not what I meant. I was just saying that most on here will agree with you (me included) but despite all the strong feelings posted no-one ever seems to do anything constructive. The motoring lobby just can't seem to get their act together.
Tony sounds more and more like "one of us" than "one of them" !!! glad you can see that not every driver of a "fast" car is an idiot.
Would unmarked cars use discretion, or would they book everyone that went over 60 on the back roads? if so, then maybe I don't want too many unmarked cars....
Would unmarked cars use discretion, or would they book everyone that went over 60 on the back roads? if so, then maybe I don't want too many unmarked cars....
There was an article in out local paper (Kent and Sussex Courier) today where the Sussex Camera Partnership were whining about the bad press speed cameras have been getting recently.
Must admit that I have found the cameras in Sussex to be well marked, and there are signs warning of the mobile sites too. I have seen the mobile cameras travelling between sites, but not in position so I can't say how visibe they are. However I think they do only operate in blackspots, and both East and West Sussex Councils are carrying out other measures to warn peopl;e about speeding in accident blackspots. I have seen a number of those flashing speed limit signs about, and on the A24 they have notices warning of the accident dangers.
However I only have to go to Tunbridge Wells were a couple of the cameras are hidden behind roadsigns to make the point as to why cameras are viewed with suspicion!
Think I'll have to compose a letter at the weekend!
Must admit that I have found the cameras in Sussex to be well marked, and there are signs warning of the mobile sites too. I have seen the mobile cameras travelling between sites, but not in position so I can't say how visibe they are. However I think they do only operate in blackspots, and both East and West Sussex Councils are carrying out other measures to warn peopl;e about speeding in accident blackspots. I have seen a number of those flashing speed limit signs about, and on the A24 they have notices warning of the accident dangers.
However I only have to go to Tunbridge Wells were a couple of the cameras are hidden behind roadsigns to make the point as to why cameras are viewed with suspicion!
Think I'll have to compose a letter at the weekend!
hertsbiker said:
Would unmarked cars use discretion, or would they book everyone that went over 60 on the back roads? if so, then maybe I don't want too many unmarked cars....
Leave the back roads alone please...
I don't speed on motorways, or A-roads, but there's a few little haunts I have, which may even have been closed for all the traffic I've seen (never come acorss another vehicle).
Those places, where visibility is restricted but useful, where the road is challenging, are where I like to do my driving. Even that's usually below the speed limit, but it tends to be near the adhesion limit.
Only reason I don't like scameras is the principle that 'I'm not doing wrong so why are you contantly watching me!?!'.
hertsbiker said:
Tony sounds more and more like "one of us" than "one of them" !!! glad you can see that not every driver of a "fast" car is an idiot.
Would unmarked cars use discretion, or would they book everyone that went over 60 on the back roads? if so, then maybe I don't want too many unmarked cars....
They would have discretion due to the fact that they would be overwhelmed with work.
Outlaw.......
Yes iam talking about the Hitchin Road....doesnt seem that fair to me but then again i dont know what the stats are at that location, but on the evidence that ive seen its solely for revenue.
tonyrec said:
Tony sounds more and more like "one of us" than "one of them" !!! glad you can see that not every driver of a "fast" car is an idiot.
Would unmarked cars use discretion, or would they book everyone that went over 60 on the back roads? if so, then maybe I don't want too many unmarked cars....
They would have discretion due to the fact that they would be overwhelmed with work.
Outlaw.......
Yes iam talking about the Hitchin Road....doesnt seem that fair to me but then again i dont know what the stats are at that location, but on the evidence that ive seen its solely for revenue.
Im from what I know. the only acidens down there were mainly in the nsl on the first bend before modified it.
it used have a nasty reverse canver and many afool has left the road there over the years.
but nowhere near where they like to sit even seen hiding past the garage at the side of it in the field there.
and you now how far that is form the 60 limet
outlaw said:
hertsbiker said:
Tony sounds more and more like "one of us" than "one of them" !!! glad you can see that not every driver of a "fast" car is an idiot.
Would unmarked cars use discretion, or would they book everyone that went over 60 on the back roads? if so, then maybe I don't want too many unmarked cars....
They would have discretion due to the fact that they would be overwhelmed with work.
Outlaw.......
Yes iam talking about the Hitchin Road....doesnt seem that fair to me but then again i dont know what the stats are at that location, but on the evidence that ive seen its solely for revenue.
Im from what I know. the only acidens down there were mainly in the nsl on the first bend before modified it.
it used have a nasty reverse canver and many afool has left the road there over the years.
but nowhere near where they like to sit even seen hiding past the garage at the side of it in the field there.
and you now how far that is form the 60 limet
70mph limit !
5ltr-chim said:
I thought they could ONLY site where they're had been 2KSI's or 4? MI's in the last 3 years ? or something like that (1/2 that of a fixed camera site IIRC) - or is that just the official line ??
Surely you could get the stats and "enquire" if it doesn't meet the criteria ????
To be honest i dont know, and it makes it more difficult because the location of this van is in a different force area.
Love the idea of a loonyline - damn I'd love to have reported the dayglow-jacketted-nutter in the little white van that overtook me yesterday in chevrons on the B614 toward Nottingham. He must have seen the car waiting to turn right and decided he was going to cut me up anyway, good job I saw him coming. That wasn't the last of his antics either, crossing double whites before the brow of a hill etc.. incredible!
What makes it worse is that he can't have been in a real rush because as I came into Nottingham I passed him in the traffic! Ar5e!
What makes it worse is that he can't have been in a real rush because as I came into Nottingham I passed him in the traffic! Ar5e!
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