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Can't say I'm a big fan of it on the M25 but do it when the need arrises..
But don't you just hate te suiside moment .. when lane 3 starts to stop abruptly and lane 2 is still moving .. you are happy filtering between the 2 .. but the cars in lane 3 have a plan ... get to lane 2 instantly ..
and you are their next victim
But don't you just hate te suiside moment .. when lane 3 starts to stop abruptly and lane 2 is still moving .. you are happy filtering between the 2 .. but the cars in lane 3 have a plan ... get to lane 2 instantly ..
and you are their next victim

rev-erend said:
Can't say I'm a big fan of it on the M25 but do it when the need arrises..
But don't you just hate te suiside moment .. when lane 3 starts to stop abruptly and lane 2 is still moving .. you are happy filtering between the 2 .. but the cars in lane 3 have a plan ... get to lane 2 instantly ..
and you are their next victim
had that yesterday on the M11 - stationary traffic to the horizion where the hell did he think it'd get him? lucky i filter at a sensible speed compared to a lot of people so stopped without a problem. i did take the opertunity to flip the front of my lid up & suggest he learns to drive & use mirrors excterea while dismissing the legality of his parentage. oddly enough i take a dim view of people trying to kill me.But don't you just hate te suiside moment .. when lane 3 starts to stop abruptly and lane 2 is still moving .. you are happy filtering between the 2 .. but the cars in lane 3 have a plan ... get to lane 2 instantly ..
and you are their next victim

I did a couple months of M25 commuting recently and like robstvr, soon found my filtering up in the 80's. It does depend on how the traffic is flowing though.
The key thing on motorways is to stay alert and read the braking zones. I'm sure you've all seen (and some even done) the quick lane change to make up 20 spaces, then the quick change back as another lane speeds up again. I always put myself between two car then. I'm pretty sure a car will see the car beside him before he sees a bike, so it feels safer.
Just get into the mindset of an impatient car driver who is late for the most important meeting of his life, and you'll start to spot the gaps he may leap into, then position yourself accordingly.
I prefer London filtering as the car are more used to bikes, but will be back on the M25 commute again in a month or two.
The key thing on motorways is to stay alert and read the braking zones. I'm sure you've all seen (and some even done) the quick lane change to make up 20 spaces, then the quick change back as another lane speeds up again. I always put myself between two car then. I'm pretty sure a car will see the car beside him before he sees a bike, so it feels safer.
Just get into the mindset of an impatient car driver who is late for the most important meeting of his life, and you'll start to spot the gaps he may leap into, then position yourself accordingly.
I prefer London filtering as the car are more used to bikes, but will be back on the M25 commute again in a month or two.
rev-erend said:
Can't say I'm a big fan of it on the M25 but do it when the need arrises..
But don't you just hate te suiside moment .. when lane 3 starts to stop abruptly and lane 2 is still moving .. you are happy filtering between the 2 .. but the cars in lane 3 have a plan ... get to lane 2 instantly ..
and you are their next victim
It is called traffic shear IIRC and is the most dangerous phase of filtering. It happens at the beginning and at the end of a jam and is the time when cars are most likely to lane-change.But don't you just hate te suiside moment .. when lane 3 starts to stop abruptly and lane 2 is still moving .. you are happy filtering between the 2 .. but the cars in lane 3 have a plan ... get to lane 2 instantly ..
and you are their next victim

If lane 3 blocks then I move to lane 2 and stay in the flow until the speed of that lane drops significantly. Then I'll filter.
I used to do M3-M25-A30 at rush hour every day. It's amazing how quickly I got used to it and found myself regularly doing 60+ though near stationary traffic, then I'd think to myself that it was a bit silly and slow to 30-40mph, but over the course of a few days my speed would creep up until I realised it was getting a silly again. Generally I try to keep it around 30-40 when filtering and if the traffic gets up to that kind of speed I'll drop back in to the lane again.
Not a fan of nipping between cars that are doing higher speeds. My previous job I used to do 30k miles/year in the cage and on several occasions had bikes (usually gixxers for some reason) dive up my left hand side when I was doing 80ish indicating left and already starting to cross the line.
Not a fan of nipping between cars that are doing higher speeds. My previous job I used to do 30k miles/year in the cage and on several occasions had bikes (usually gixxers for some reason) dive up my left hand side when I was doing 80ish indicating left and already starting to cross the line.
sjtscott said:
Filtering on at least 3 lane motorway is easy compared to what I normally have to put up with in central London. Consequently I feel comfortable filtering pretty quickly in comparison to London. You obviously do have to watch for cars changing lanes though like a hawk!
I find the opposite. In the City people tend to be more switched on as they must get passed by hundreds of bikes, but on motorway they tend to zone out and forget about bikes as they don't see many.It all obviously depends on the piece of road and time of day though.
The worst time for filtering is weekends when cars either don't see you or aim for you.
Silver993tt said:
if you filter in traffic on a motorway in Europe (France, Belgium, Germany, Austria etc) most cars will see you in their mirrors and move to one side to let you pass. Why doesn't this happen in the UK?
same reason cars can merge in turn abroad but find it impossible here. british drivers are a
holes.Hooli said:
Silver993tt said:
if you filter in traffic on a motorway in Europe (France, Belgium, Germany, Austria etc) most cars will see you in their mirrors and move to one side to let you pass. Why doesn't this happen in the UK?
same reason cars can merge in turn abroad but find it impossible here. british drivers are a
holes.God forbid people should use both lanes so the greatest volume of traffic may pass through the light while it is green, and then have to merge in turn the other side of the junction. I have been accused of 'pushing to the front of the queue' by another motorist for doing this? Well love, why else do they have TWO lanes both dedicated to the straight ahead direction...
Rant over!
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