MSA rule changes and more expense for the clubie
Discussion
As posted on another forum (ten tenths has it's uses jon) from 1 Jan 09 we will all need a dry break coupling in our fuel lines for fuel samples to be taken in parc freme, with immediate effect you need at least 3 litres left in your tank at the end of a race for samples to be taken.
The dry break coupling must be FIA approved and the cheapest I can find is around £30 for the coupling and then another £12 for the extra connector we will all have to carry around during a race, just in case they want a fuel sample after a race.
Then you will need adaptors to fit the couplings to your fuel line so I would not expect much change from £100 if you do the job yourself.
This can be seen on page46 of the new Motorsports Now mag from the MSA and the connector rule is to be ratified in June so I think we need to write to the MSA to object to this useless rule that is only being introduced due to a few National championship racers refusing to comply on safety grounds.
Anyone who wants to put pen to paper (as many of as possible should do)should write to the MSA and complain or we will all end up being taken up the exhaust by the MSA and FIA once again.
The Chairman of the Committee of the MSA is Graham Stoker.
The Chairman of the Race committee is Robin Knight (also 750MC Sec, and a very sensible man).
The Hill Climb sub-committee chair is Simon Durling.
I suggest a copy to the Chief Exec. Colin Hilton, as well.
Quote your Licence No. to make clear you are a participating member.
Address the letters to these gentlemen at:
The Motor Sports Association
Motor Sports House
Riverside Park
Colnbrook
SL3 0HG
The dry break coupling must be FIA approved and the cheapest I can find is around £30 for the coupling and then another £12 for the extra connector we will all have to carry around during a race, just in case they want a fuel sample after a race.
Then you will need adaptors to fit the couplings to your fuel line so I would not expect much change from £100 if you do the job yourself.
This can be seen on page46 of the new Motorsports Now mag from the MSA and the connector rule is to be ratified in June so I think we need to write to the MSA to object to this useless rule that is only being introduced due to a few National championship racers refusing to comply on safety grounds.
Anyone who wants to put pen to paper (as many of as possible should do)should write to the MSA and complain or we will all end up being taken up the exhaust by the MSA and FIA once again.
The Chairman of the Committee of the MSA is Graham Stoker.
The Chairman of the Race committee is Robin Knight (also 750MC Sec, and a very sensible man).
The Hill Climb sub-committee chair is Simon Durling.
I suggest a copy to the Chief Exec. Colin Hilton, as well.
Quote your Licence No. to make clear you are a participating member.
Address the letters to these gentlemen at:
The Motor Sports Association
Motor Sports House
Riverside Park
Colnbrook
SL3 0HG
On a similar subject - did I read it right that BS6658-85 A/FR helemets will no longer be allowed from 2010?
I only use mine for sprinting and only got it last year - it will end up working out at about £20 per sprint by the time I need to get rid of it. I was hoping that I would get rather more use out of it...
I only use mine for sprinting and only got it last year - it will end up working out at about £20 per sprint by the time I need to get rid of it. I was hoping that I would get rather more use out of it...
It's because a few people in probably National series have refused to give fuel samples after a race on safety grounds as they would have to unscrew the fuel pipe to the carb/injection unit and it could cause a fire.
I've never been asked for a fuel sample in 8 years of racing and my uncle who has raced on and off since the 1950s has never been asked.
It's just a typical "lets punish the the majority because the officials don't have the balls to sanction the few" attitude .
I've never been asked for a fuel sample in 8 years of racing and my uncle who has raced on and off since the 1950s has never been asked.
It's just a typical "lets punish the the majority because the officials don't have the balls to sanction the few" attitude .
jimbobs said:
On a similar subject - did I read it right that BS6658-85 A/FR helemets will no longer be allowed from 2010?
I only use mine for sprinting and only got it last year - it will end up working out at about £20 per sprint by the time I need to get rid of it. I was hoping that I would get rather more use out of it...
I think you have it wrong, there is a star next to SNELL SA2000 and the comment about may be withdrawn is also starred, so you should be ok I only use mine for sprinting and only got it last year - it will end up working out at about £20 per sprint by the time I need to get rid of it. I was hoping that I would get rather more use out of it...
falcemob said:
It's because a few people in probably National series have refused to give fuel samples after a race on safety grounds as they would have to unscrew the fuel pipe to the carb/injection unit and it could cause a fire.
I've never been asked for a fuel sample in 8 years of racing and my uncle who has raced on and off since the 1950s has never been asked.
Most high profile national series(Clios, Seats, Ginettas etc) will do random fuel sampling through out the season. Personally I think that anything that makes enforcing the rules easier has to be a good thing. There are far to many club championships where cheating is wide spread and common knowledge, yet there seems to be little done to police it.I've never been asked for a fuel sample in 8 years of racing and my uncle who has raced on and off since the 1950s has never been asked.
falcemob said:
It's just a typical "lets punish the the majority because the officials don't have the balls to sanction the few" attitude .
Seems a bit of a contradiction to me, they have the balls to sanction change but you are knocking them for not having the balls to sanction change? It is very difficult just to test the people who are cheating!jimbobs said:
On a similar subject - did I read it right that BS6658-85 A/FR helemets will no longer be allowed from 2010?
My copy is at home but from memory you read it wrong. My reading was that Type A is no longer allowed from 2010, Type A/FR remains acceptable.I will need to buy a new helmet. And a dry break fuel thingummy, whatever that is. Bleeding pointless, I'm not even registered for any championship, just come out to play at a few local events and run my car on plain super unleaded.
AIUI it all came about because of people using Group N WRC cars on Nat B rallies and running them on a witches brew, so when the regulation was proposed they decided to include everyone, not appreciating that the money involved in an ex WRC car and the money involved in a 38 year old kit car based on a Hillman Imp like mine is not exactly the same.
I'm more concerned with what's being done to the classes in Section I though, although this hasn't been published by the MSA yet.
I have a dry-break in my fuel system. It's the bit I unscrew to put the fuel into the tank, commonly called a filler cap. When I unscrew it, nothing comes out, but a scrute can still get to the fuel for a sample.
Presumably when they take the 3 litres I'll £3.30 off them. Otherwise I'd love the job as a scrute, taking 3 litres from every car after a race and filling my Range Rover up!
Presumably when they take the 3 litres I'll £3.30 off them. Otherwise I'd love the job as a scrute, taking 3 litres from every car after a race and filling my Range Rover up!
onomatopoeia said:
jimbobs said:
On a similar subject - did I read it right that BS6658-85 A/FR helemets will no longer be allowed from 2010?
My copy is at home but from memory you read it wrong. My reading was that Type A is no longer allowed from 2010, Type A/FR remains acceptable.I will need to buy a new helmet. And a dry break fuel thingummy, whatever that is. Bleeding pointless, I'm not even registered for any championship, just come out to play at a few local events and run my car on plain super unleaded.
AIUI it all came about because of people using Group N WRC cars on Nat B rallies and running them on a witches brew, so when the regulation was proposed they decided to include everyone, not appreciating that the money involved in an ex WRC car and the money involved in a 38 year old kit car based on a Hillman Imp like mine is not exactly the same.
I'm more concerned with what's being done to the classes in Section I though, although this hasn't been published by the MSA yet.
Does anyone know why Snell helmets are lifed but BS don't appear to be?
falcemob said:
Does anyone know why Snell helmets are lifed but BS don't appear to be?
I expect purely because it's easy to date Snell helmets. Can you age a BS helmet from its markings? I'll be anticipating BS helmets to begin to be dated soon then!I think it's kind of fair enough to change helmet every ten years, but as always for those who really take care of them it will be another unnecessary expense.
mikee boy said:
I have a dry-break in my fuel system. It's the bit I unscrew to put the fuel into the tank, commonly called a filler cap. When I unscrew it, nothing comes out, but a scrute can still get to the fuel for a sample.
Presumably when they take the 3 litres I'll £3.30 off them. Otherwise I'd love the job as a scrute, taking 3 litres from every car after a race and filling my Range Rover up!
I was thinking the same thing. Stick a pipe in and syphon some off. My fuel will test funny anyway as I need to put some oil in it to keep the old rotary a-spining Presumably when they take the 3 litres I'll £3.30 off them. Otherwise I'd love the job as a scrute, taking 3 litres from every car after a race and filling my Range Rover up!
wee_skids said:
mikee boy said:
I have a dry-break in my fuel system. It's the bit I unscrew to put the fuel into the tank, commonly called a filler cap. When I unscrew it, nothing comes out, but a scrute can still get to the fuel for a sample.
Presumably when they take the 3 litres I'll £3.30 off them. Otherwise I'd love the job as a scrute, taking 3 litres from every car after a race and filling my Range Rover up!
I was thinking the same thing. Stick a pipe in and syphon some off. My fuel will test funny anyway as I need to put some oil in it to keep the old rotary a-spining Presumably when they take the 3 litres I'll £3.30 off them. Otherwise I'd love the job as a scrute, taking 3 litres from every car after a race and filling my Range Rover up!
Why would they need 3 litres anyway? When i send oil samples off i just send 50ml, thats plenty enough for a mass spec test many times over, the last thing the test lab wants is a shed load of fuel.
I think they just grabbed 3 litres out of the air, as a sensible amount of fuel to be in the tank to provide enough for there to guarantee the fuel would be able to be picked up, they will just take a small 50ml sample i would think.
I think they just grabbed 3 litres out of the air, as a sensible amount of fuel to be in the tank to provide enough for there to guarantee the fuel would be able to be picked up, they will just take a small 50ml sample i would think.
Edited by johnfelstead on Thursday 8th May 22:14
you wait, there are more safety rules afoot!! Apparently rumour has it, road going cars needing extra safety equipment for speed events are being discussed.
Always been a way into competitive motor sport, adding to the prep cost and true road cars and will no doubt become unuseable as road cars.
Always been a way into competitive motor sport, adding to the prep cost and true road cars and will no doubt become unuseable as road cars.
d race fuel, when pump fuel is stipulated .... You know who you are!!Porlock said:
you wait, there are more safety rules afoot!! Apparently rumour has it, road going cars needing extra safety equipment for speed events are being discussed.
Is this the rumour that appeared in the Torbay MC magazine regarding List 1A tyres a month or two back or a different rumour? I get to hear most of the rumours and a lot of the facts (as far as anyone not on S&H sub committee or SEC does at least) - as far as I know there are no plans to increase the level of safety equipment for cars running in classes that comply with I.70 - I.81.Regarding List 1A, seen the July 5/6 Longleat regs yet?
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