? about legality ?
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On the way to work I pass a soft top quantum, with a for sale sign in window. Anyway as the wife wants an MX5 I decided to stop and take a peek.
Anyway this is the spec :
Built from 1.4 fiesta with 1.8 CVH engine, but registered as 1.4
It's a F reg.
Now I'm never likely to build a kit car, and I've never understood why chavs with 2.0 16V engines in their nova's think it's okay to keep them registered as a 1.0
But I'm assuming that it would not be as simple as filling in new engine number, and engine size and paying the right ammount of additional vehicle excise duty ? Would the thing be then subject to a SVA test ?
The price was quite tempting TBH, but not if making it legal costs more than it's worth.
Anyway this is the spec :
Built from 1.4 fiesta with 1.8 CVH engine, but registered as 1.4
It's a F reg.
Now I'm never likely to build a kit car, and I've never understood why chavs with 2.0 16V engines in their nova's think it's okay to keep them registered as a 1.0
But I'm assuming that it would not be as simple as filling in new engine number, and engine size and paying the right ammount of additional vehicle excise duty ? Would the thing be then subject to a SVA test ?
The price was quite tempting TBH, but not if making it legal costs more than it's worth.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/493500.htm
I've found it adverised here. Nice looking car to be honest. Pity about FWD !!!
I've found it adverised here. Nice looking car to be honest. Pity about FWD !!!
If it's got an F reg and not a Q reg is this because it's still registered as a fiesta, and would changing the engine mean it can no longer be deemed a fiesta and would therefore need as SVA ?
I put the details into the DVLA website :
http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/appl...
and got :
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for F229 UPB are:
Date of Liability 01 02 2009
Date of First Registration 21 05 1992
Year of Manufacture 1989
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1396CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLACK
Vehicle Type Approval null
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £66.00
12 Months Rate £120.00
I put the details into the DVLA website :
http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/appl...
and got :
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for F229 UPB are:
Date of Liability 01 02 2009
Date of First Registration 21 05 1992
Year of Manufacture 1989
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1396CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLACK
Vehicle Type Approval null
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £66.00
12 Months Rate £120.00
Edited by Mr POD on Wednesday 14th May 08:56
Mr POD said:
If it's got an F reg and not a Q reg is this because it's still registered as a fiesta, and would changing the engine mean it can no longer be deemed a fiesta and would therefore need as SVA ?
I put the details into the DVLA website :
http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/appl...
and got :
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for F229 UPB are:
Date of Liability 01 02 2009
Date of First Registration 21 05 1992
Year of Manufacture 1989
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1396CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLACK
Vehicle Type Approval null
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £66.00
12 Months Rate £120.00
Most likely age related plate, which isn't surprising for a single donor vehicle. Changing engine type isn't a problem.I put the details into the DVLA website :
http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/appl...
and got :
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for F229 UPB are:
Date of Liability 01 02 2009
Date of First Registration 21 05 1992
Year of Manufacture 1989
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1396CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLACK
Vehicle Type Approval null
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £66.00
12 Months Rate £120.00
Edited by Mr POD on Wednesday 14th May 08:56
Davi said:
Mr POD said:
If it's got an F reg and not a Q reg is this because it's still registered as a fiesta, and would changing the engine mean it can no longer be deemed a fiesta and would therefore need as SVA ?
I put the details into the DVLA website :
http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/appl...
and got :
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for F229 UPB are:
Date of Liability 01 02 2009
Date of First Registration 21 05 1992
Year of Manufacture 1989
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1396CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLACK
Vehicle Type Approval null
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £66.00
12 Months Rate £120.00
Most likely age related plate, which isn't surprising for a single donor vehicle. Changing engine type isn't a problem.I put the details into the DVLA website :
http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/appl...
and got :
The enquiry is complete
The vehicle details for F229 UPB are:
Date of Liability 01 02 2009
Date of First Registration 21 05 1992
Year of Manufacture 1989
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1396CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status SORN Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLACK
Vehicle Type Approval null
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £66.00
12 Months Rate £120.00
Edited by Mr POD on Wednesday 14th May 08:56
Mr POD said:
In which case the Cynic in me wants to know why it's not right now.
The major thing is the DVLA search comes up only when you search for it under "Quantum" as the make - not ford - so it would *appear* to be correctly registered (though you'll need to check the V5 carefully obviously) As to why the engine hasn't been registered - could be anything from a simple oversight / not realising they needed to, to trying to keep insurance premiums down and ensuring the DVLA matches the insurance database? It may have been simply a case of it being built and registered using the single donor then the engine swapped in later when funds allowed.From what I've been told, once a kit is registered, it's registered for good, just like any other car. If you buy an Vauxhall Astra and stick a Ford cosworth engine in it, it doesn't have to go through the registration process again.
I'd suggest asking the vendor though, may just provide a simple explanation!
Edited by Davi on Wednesday 14th May 10:30
I phoned the DVLA help line, they were quite helpful, and said Fill the V5 in with new information and then we'll send you back a new V5 and details on how to pay the additional road tax.
and they said because it's not a Q reg you can change reg number as long as it's not an age related one G or later.
and they said because it's not a Q reg you can change reg number as long as it's not an age related one G or later.
Not necessarily, the 1.8 with a few tweaks gave lots more torque. The way to go now is Zetec or ZVH if looking for an engine upgrade
To the original question, probably the parts were sourced from a 1400 and then an 1800 was dropped in (a 1400 would be quite underpowered in a 2+2. It's not entirely legal, but engines are relatively easy to swap in these. There'd be no need to SVA it, it already has had an MOT. The local DVLA office might want to inspect the engine numbers if it's changed, but if you're being honest about changing it then there's no problem. If you're lucky, the 1800 is a Ferriday one, which would be a good'un if looked after. Specialised Engines do an 1850 (or 1900) CVH, and thats monstrous at Stage 3
[Edited to add more...]
That one linked looks to have a replacement hood on it, which might have been made by a company called KAP. The rear screen doesnt go around the side of the hood as much as some do, and will crease less because of it. This means the rear screen will stay in better nick that a standard one. It's also had some jiggerypokery on the interior, which is obviously according to taste. Personally, I like it. The price is good as well, would be worth checking if there's a hard top, and I believe it's also listed on ebay at the moment too
To the original question, probably the parts were sourced from a 1400 and then an 1800 was dropped in (a 1400 would be quite underpowered in a 2+2. It's not entirely legal, but engines are relatively easy to swap in these. There'd be no need to SVA it, it already has had an MOT. The local DVLA office might want to inspect the engine numbers if it's changed, but if you're being honest about changing it then there's no problem. If you're lucky, the 1800 is a Ferriday one, which would be a good'un if looked after. Specialised Engines do an 1850 (or 1900) CVH, and thats monstrous at Stage 3
[Edited to add more...]
That one linked looks to have a replacement hood on it, which might have been made by a company called KAP. The rear screen doesnt go around the side of the hood as much as some do, and will crease less because of it. This means the rear screen will stay in better nick that a standard one. It's also had some jiggerypokery on the interior, which is obviously according to taste. Personally, I like it. The price is good as well, would be worth checking if there's a hard top, and I believe it's also listed on ebay at the moment too
Edited by andyquantum on Thursday 15th May 21:43
Edited by andyquantum on Thursday 15th May 21:48
I've done engine changes on 2 kit cars. First one was registered way before SVA, all I did was inform DVLA & insurance when I changed from a 1700 Xflow to a 2l Zetec. This was a Q plate car.
More recently, built and SVA'd a car with a 2l twin cam motor, then after less than a year, removed the TC and fitted a 3l V6. Again, just informed DVLA & insurance of the change of details. This was an age-related plate car.
No problem whatsoever with either. MOT emissions test for the later car is still done at the figures established when it was SVA'd/registered, which is handy! Early car only has to pass visible smoke.
Key thing, as has been noted, it's registered as a Quantum, not a Ford. For the £60 difference in tax and a small amount (probably) on the insurance, I'd get it all sorted myself. In the unhappy event of an accident, if the insurance got wind of the capacity discrepency you'd almost certainly be uninsured.
HTH
More recently, built and SVA'd a car with a 2l twin cam motor, then after less than a year, removed the TC and fitted a 3l V6. Again, just informed DVLA & insurance of the change of details. This was an age-related plate car.
No problem whatsoever with either. MOT emissions test for the later car is still done at the figures established when it was SVA'd/registered, which is handy! Early car only has to pass visible smoke.
Key thing, as has been noted, it's registered as a Quantum, not a Ford. For the £60 difference in tax and a small amount (probably) on the insurance, I'd get it all sorted myself. In the unhappy event of an accident, if the insurance got wind of the capacity discrepency you'd almost certainly be uninsured.
HTH
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