RE: Cadillac 'Ring Lap Video
Thursday 15th May 2008
Making way for Schmitz in a vanA few days ago we brought you the news that a Cadillac CTS-V has lapped the Nurburgring in 7minutes 59.32 seconds.
Cadillac 'Ring Lap Video
Footage of CTS-V lapping Nurburgring in less than 8 minutes
Making way for Schmitz in a van
The company says this is the fastest ever documented for a production saloon, and has now released footage to back up that claim.
Power is said to be around 550hp and according to GM they always set out to make the world’s fastest saloon.
From the video it looks like the car completed the lap with very little fuss...
Discussion
Pretty impressive, especially so when it's the lead of their performance division doing the driving. GM seem to have quite a few very talented people working for them, finally they seem to be having the leash slackened now that the execs have woken up. The CTS is a far more beguiling choice than the obvious competition.
That ladies and Gents was some seriously balls out driving. With that low sun level very impressive indeed! It shows what cars of that size have to deal with and what is required of an eight mineut lap on the ring. I had my doubts but that did look very clean and quick. It can't have been good for the car though.........
What is all this obsession with Nurburgring lap times?
Maybe useful if you are the sort who likes to brag about your car being an average of two MPH faster per lap than a rival model (i.e. you are a cock who needs to get out more)
But it's surely about how the car feels to you rather than what it can potentially do?
Would be for me.
Maybe useful if you are the sort who likes to brag about your car being an average of two MPH faster per lap than a rival model (i.e. you are a cock who needs to get out more)
But it's surely about how the car feels to you rather than what it can potentially do?
Would be for me.
Edited by Magners P.H on Thursday 15th May 13:48
Edited by Magners P.H on Thursday 15th May 13:48
Magners P.H said:
What is all this obsession with Nurburgring lap times?
Maybe useful if you are the sort who likes to brag about your car being an average of two MPH faster per lap, but otherwise it's surely about how the car feels to you rather than what it can potentially do?
Agree, the numbers circle jerks are utterly dull but I think this specific one has been done to death because it finally gets rid of the old chant about American cars and corners.Maybe useful if you are the sort who likes to brag about your car being an average of two MPH faster per lap, but otherwise it's surely about how the car feels to you rather than what it can potentially do?
Magners P.H said:
What is all this obsession with Nurburgring lap times?
Maybe useful if you are the sort who likes to brag about your car being an average of two MPH faster per lap than a rival model (i.e. you are a cock who needs to get out more)
But it's surely about how the car feels to you rather than what it can potentially do?
Would be for me.
Numbers sell and the ring is the perfect way to market a car. Thats why these large international business's aka COCKS like to compete with one another.Maybe useful if you are the sort who likes to brag about your car being an average of two MPH faster per lap than a rival model (i.e. you are a cock who needs to get out more)
But it's surely about how the car feels to you rather than what it can potentially do?
Would be for me.
Edited by Magners P.H on Thursday 15th May 13:48
Edited by Magners P.H on Thursday 15th May 13:48
The ring is the biggest test you can put a car through and imo the best bench mark to go by.
I didnt by my car because of its ring times but it certainly attracted me to it. Isnt that how marketing works???
Mclovin said:
Ha ha, the germans are getting hammered in their own back garden by much cheaper cars.
Although I actually like the Caddy, love the Nissan (within limits), and don't like most people driving a fat BMW, I struggle to find reason to rejoice.German car makers, after being bombed to oblivion a couple of decades ago have risen back with their family-run businesses and have dominated car racing and the performance saloon game ever since the mid-seventies. Now multimega enterprises such as Nissan-Renault-Samsung and General Motors get 5' of Ring fame after pumping gazillions of Dollars into these 'halo' niches of sports cars and sedans.
After the fuss is over a shed-tuned 911 (which I dislike enourmously) will beat the Nissan while driving backwards and BMW will bring out a diesel/banana hybrid that will drive circles around this CTV or whatever it's marketed as. It'll probably some after-hours project of a couple of engineers.
From a European standpoint, I love the Germans for being so stubbornly and thoroughly good with building the cars they do. The Italians have only just picked up the ball again, the French are too busy building coupé-cabriolets and the Brits, well...let's hope there's still some life in Aston.
errek72 said:
Mclovin said:
Ha ha, the germans are getting hammered in their own back garden by much cheaper cars.
Although I actually like the Caddy, love the Nissan (within limits), and don't like most people driving a fat BMW, I struggle to find reason to rejoice.German car makers, after being bombed to oblivion a couple of decades ago have risen back with their family-run businesses and have dominated car racing and the performance saloon game ever since the mid-seventies. Now multimega enterprises such as Nissan-Renault-Samsung and General Motors get 5' of Ring fame after pumping gazillions of Dollars into these 'halo' niches of sports cars and sedans.
After the fuss is over a shed-tuned 911 (which I dislike enourmously) will beat the Nissan while driving backwards and BMW will bring out a diesel/banana hybrid that will drive circles around this CTV or whatever it's marketed as. It'll probably some after-hours project of a couple of engineers.
From a European standpoint, I love the Germans for being so stubbornly and thoroughly good with building the cars they do. The Italians have only just picked up the ball again, the French are too busy building coupé-cabriolets and the Brits, well...let's hope there's still some life in Aston.
Edited by Suislide on Thursday 15th May 17:53
errek72 said:
Mclovin said:
Ha ha, the germans are getting hammered in their own back garden by much cheaper cars.
Although I actually like the Caddy, love the Nissan (within limits), and don't like most people driving a fat BMW, I struggle to find reason to rejoice.German car makers, after being bombed to oblivion a couple of decades ago have risen back with their family-run businesses and have dominated car racing and the performance saloon game ever since the mid-seventies. Now multimega enterprises such as Nissan-Renault-Samsung and General Motors get 5' of Ring fame after pumping gazillions of Dollars into these 'halo' niches of sports cars and sedans.
After the fuss is over a shed-tuned 911 (which I dislike enourmously) will beat the Nissan while driving backwards and BMW will bring out a diesel/banana hybrid that will drive circles around this CTV or whatever it's marketed as. It'll probably some after-hours project of a couple of engineers.
From a European standpoint, I love the Germans for being so stubbornly and thoroughly good with building the cars they do. The Italians have only just picked up the ball again, the French are too busy building coupé-cabriolets and the Brits, well...let's hope there's still some life in Aston.
Suislide said:
errek72 said:
German car makers, after being bombed to oblivion a couple of decades ago have risen back with their family-run businesses and have dominated car racing and the performance saloon game ever since the mid-seventies. Now multimega enterprises such as Nissan-Renault-Samsung and General Motors get 5' of Ring fame after pumping gazillions of Dollars into these 'halo' niches of sports cars and sedans.
"halo" niche cars....so you mean an M3 or M5?Suislide said:
Every popular car bmw has ever made was a niche car, 2002, M1, it goes on.
Popular in the petrolhead opinion, yes. But in sales it's the Dixie, 1602, 315, 520i, 3 series diesel and Z3 1.9 that brought home the bacon. Same goes for the other Germans.The Halo effect is that you can/could hardly distinguish a tarted or badged up diesel from an Mseries car.
Suislide said:
You don't think they spend gazillions of dollars to get that right?
Honestly, no. I'm not saying the M1 was cut out of cardboard, but I'm pretty convinced there was more money spent on the development of the Vauxhall Signum than all M cars combined. Suislide said:
As far as "dominating" it depends on the series...touring cars ya the M3 kicked butt, but come on, to popular german disbelief they arn't always right.
Sadly, that disbelief isn't reserved for the Germans. Some countries killed their entire motoring industry over it.But looking over what country dominated motorsports for the last three decades, I happen to think it was Germany. Although I would have loved it to be Italy, btw.
Suislide said:
If anything it helps fight the 911 being over hyped and priced which is better from a consumer stand point....who knows maybe they will have to lower their price to prevent sales to nissian.....thats good.
True, when they can raise their profits with 44% in one frigging year, there should be some room for pricecuts.It's a shame that aesthetics didn't do the current CTS justice. Having spent enough miles in all of the equivelant premium saloons to make an informed decision, if you could look past the apalling dashboard and love it/hate it styling the CTS has one of the most informative steering racks in the saloon market and is the most tail happy modern saloon car that I have driven. I couldn't believe how 'raw' the driving experience was when I started working with the marque.
Limited slip diff as standard and a three way traction control - from on (but I'll give you a few seconds of fun) to completely off, a CTS doesn't know what understeer means...
I hope that the new on gets the unbiased magazine space that it deserves.
James
Limited slip diff as standard and a three way traction control - from on (but I'll give you a few seconds of fun) to completely off, a CTS doesn't know what understeer means...
I hope that the new on gets the unbiased magazine space that it deserves.
James
ParkLane said:
It's a shame that aesthetics didn't do the current CTS justice. Having spent enough miles in all of the equivelant premium saloons to make an informed decision, if you could look past the apalling dashboard and love it/hate it styling the CTS has one of the most informative steering racks in the saloon market and is the most tail happy modern saloon car that I have driven. I couldn't believe how 'raw' the driving experience was when I started working with the marque.
Limited slip diff as standard and a three way traction control - from on (but I'll give you a few seconds of fun) to completely off, a CTS doesn't know what understeer means...
I hope that the new on gets the unbiased magazine space that it deserves.
James
I owned the old CTS. Once I got some decent rubber between me and the road, it handled very well and I loved taking it for drives in the California mountains. You are right. The interior was horrible. I have also driven the new CTS, which was the 300 bhp version. Although I could not drive it with "enthusiasm", I still managed a couple hours behind the wheel of a top spec car. Completely different car from the old one. The interior is also very nice. I can imagine the new "V" is also light years ahead of the old one. It looks to be more refined as well.Limited slip diff as standard and a three way traction control - from on (but I'll give you a few seconds of fun) to completely off, a CTS doesn't know what understeer means...
I hope that the new on gets the unbiased magazine space that it deserves.
James
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