paedophiles better than speeders?
paedophiles better than speeders?
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Peter Ward

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2,097 posts

276 months

Wednesday 20th August 2003
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I hear in the news that a guy (policeman, but not relevant) used a credit card to pay to download child pornography, but the CPS didn't present any evidence because they couldn't prove it was him using his card.

Seems like a clear case for a NIP. Surely a CC is even more personal than a car, so the assumption is that it's you unless you prove otherwise (stolen, etc). Therefore, a NIP would be a simple means of self-incrimination for those who use their CC for illegal purposes. Give them 28 days to reply or do them for not returning the NIP, with the equivalent punishment for the crime.

Or am I missing something? It wouldn't be acceptable to the public? Then why is it ok for speeding?

Edited to say: I'm not getting at the guy, who is probably innocent. Simply the principle.

>>> Edited by Peter Ward on Wednesday 20th August 20:59

deltaf

6,806 posts

273 months

Wednesday 20th August 2003
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Wont be too long before the presumption of innocence is revoked in favour of guilty and having to prove you're innocent.
God i hate this Blairite dump.

Golf_Fan

45 posts

271 months

Wednesday 20th August 2003
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Rumour has it that they are considering changing the law to the American system of "Guilty until proven innocent" unlike our reasonably fair system of "Innocent until proven guilty".

If you ask me for any evidence of this I cannotback it up! My brother told me! (normally a good source)

toad_oftoadhall

936 posts

271 months

Thursday 21st August 2003
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The irony.

Speed in your own car - Plod will le tthe courts deal with you.

Speed in a car you've nicked - you'll get a caution.

Say's it all really.

blueyes

4,799 posts

272 months

Thursday 21st August 2003
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deltaf said:
Wont be too long before the presumption of innocence is revoked in favour of guilty and having to prove you're innocent.


Don't we have to prove our innocence NOW?

A 172 asks if you were driving.

You have to prove you weren't.

If you don't, you're guilty.

Guilty until proven innocent.

N.B.I know it says on the form you have to make every effort to identify the driver but I don't think your ignorance would work in court

" sorry your hon. asked everybody and nobody will cough to driving the car"

" oh that's all right, we'll let you off then"

Give me a break!

s2art

18,942 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st August 2003
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Golf_Fan said:
Rumour has it that they are considering changing the law to the American system of "Guilty until proven innocent" unlike our reasonably fair system of "Innocent until proven guilty".

If you ask me for any evidence of this I cannotback it up! My brother told me! (normally a good source)


No its the EU (Napoleonic Code of Law) which doesnt have the preumption of innocence. Probably why Nu Labour are trying to destroy the pronciple in Britain. The Yanks are far more robust about Innocent until proven guilty than we are.