Durham Police- Only Force NOT to use Speed Cameras
Discussion
Reading the Times today and i was very interested in an article about Fixed Gatsos and in particular, Durham Constabulary.
The Chief Constable, Paul Garvin is the only Chief Constable not to have signed up to the Safety Camera Partnership scheme and instead relies on his Traffic Officers to uphold the law and safety of road users.
He says," We do not want to join the partnerships and as long as we deliver safe roads for the people of Durham, thats what im in business for".
He believes that fixed cameras cannot replaceTraffic Police when it comes to catching dangerous or careless drivers,who are the cause of most accidents and the key problem.
He goes on to say, "Were not into gimmicks. Our Traffic Officers are particulary vigilant. Rather than tackling one of the symptoms - SPEED - we try to get into the principle causes of bad driving.
Durham Police have no fixed cameras at all, and only use the mobile speed guns used by Officers".
Well i would say that this is really quite refreshing and good for him that hes standing up and being counted.
The Chief Constable, Paul Garvin is the only Chief Constable not to have signed up to the Safety Camera Partnership scheme and instead relies on his Traffic Officers to uphold the law and safety of road users.
He says," We do not want to join the partnerships and as long as we deliver safe roads for the people of Durham, thats what im in business for".
He believes that fixed cameras cannot replaceTraffic Police when it comes to catching dangerous or careless drivers,who are the cause of most accidents and the key problem.
He goes on to say, "Were not into gimmicks. Our Traffic Officers are particulary vigilant. Rather than tackling one of the symptoms - SPEED - we try to get into the principle causes of bad driving.
Durham Police have no fixed cameras at all, and only use the mobile speed guns used by Officers".
Well i would say that this is really quite refreshing and good for him that hes standing up and being counted.
tonyrec said:
Reading the Times today and i was very interested in an article about Fixed Gatsos and in particular, Durham Constabulary.
Yes, it's good. But he's NOT the only one. We still have...
Durham
Gloucestershire
Merseyside
Surrey
Central Scotland Police
Northern Constabulary
...who are not Camera Scammers.
I keep a list at:
www.safespeed.org.uk/hypothecation.html
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
MoJocvh said:
It's the same in Fife. MoJo
Fife joined up to the Scam in April 2002.
Best Regards
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
Sorry Paul
Gloucester have just joined the party.
www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?ArticleID=3743
DAZ
Gloucester have just joined the party.
www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?ArticleID=3743
DAZ
safespeed said:
Reading the Times today and i was very interested in an article about Fixed Gatsos and in particular, Durham Constabulary.
Yes, it's good. But he's NOT the only one. We still have...
Durham
Gloucestershire
Merseyside
Surrey
Central Scotland Police
Northern Constabulary
...who are not Camera Scammers.
I keep a list at:
www.safespeed.org.uk/hypothecation.html
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
Very interesting...you learn something new everyday.
I would have put my life on it that Durham had speed cameras..hmm......well, it must have been Northumbria then....
dazren said:
Sorry Paul
Gloucester have just joined the party.
www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?ArticleID=3743
DAZ
Shame. I got the updated list from the DfT on the 16th August. I've now updated the safespeed page. Thanks.
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
dazren said:
Sorry Paul
Gloucester have just joined the party.
www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?ArticleID=3743
DAZ
Yep, cameras have all gone yellow round here. No new ones though. A40 still hasn't had any repaired either.
James speaking:
The only police force to ever pull me other than for a speeding offence is Durham.
Got pulled in the Tuscan when proceeding very dilligently first comment was "Don't worry you've not done anything I'm just interested in the motor'
Had a great chat with the two traffic plods one who'd just bought a griff.
Anyhow proper policing from intelligent officers.
The only police force to ever pull me other than for a speeding offence is Durham.
Got pulled in the Tuscan when proceeding very dilligently first comment was "Don't worry you've not done anything I'm just interested in the motor'
Had a great chat with the two traffic plods one who'd just bought a griff.
Anyhow proper policing from intelligent officers.
My sister lives around Durham and travels down the A1 most school days to Darlington to work. For a while a BMW police car would follow her down, eventually her husband caught the same car at night stopped and asked why.
They said that it was due to her drving at 65mph the whole way and that it was safer for them to follow a car doing less than the limit (obviously keeping a good distance behind) and watch out for dangerous drivers...
My sister sees them occasionaly and they always tend to follow her!
Stefan
They said that it was due to her drving at 65mph the whole way and that it was safer for them to follow a car doing less than the limit (obviously keeping a good distance behind) and watch out for dangerous drivers...
My sister sees them occasionaly and they always tend to follow her!
Stefan
timbob said:
Would be interesting to see what the accident statistics have been like over the past few years in Durham, compared to generic county x that has joined the scamera partnership...
I've got the figures. Durham didn't do very well. From 2000 to 2002 "KSI" went up by 11% for the two years. Nationally the average KSI was down by 5.19% over the same two year period.
The 8 in the two year Pilot got a 5.58% drop which is better than the national average.
However the 11 who didn't joint until 2003 did much better still and achieved a 7.05% drop. When you add in Gloucester (I learned yesterday that Gloucester has signed up and belongs in the group) those 12 achieved 7.34% drop.
But the 8 trial counties together had very poor overall results for 2001-2002, with just a 0.5% fall against a national background of a 2.79% improvement on the year. I'm expecting this pattern to be repeated as the negative effects of hypothecation bite in the second years of the schemes.
If you think Durham did badly, then just look at Lincolnshire (one of the 8 in the pilot scheme) in Lincolnshire KSI went up by 24.5% over the two years, and is the worst country I have figures for.
Some of these stats are available for download in a spreadsheet from:
www.safespeed.org.uk/hypothecation.html
Best Regards
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
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