2008 fireblade - exhaust, pcm, filter?
Discussion
Hi Guys,
I'm thinking about buying this bike, and was wondering if there is any information about dyno results for full systems.
I've had a browse on the 1000rr website, but from what I can tell, the bike is so noew that there isnt much information out there yet, and much of it that is out there is mostly american, so I cant really pop down to a tuner to have a discussion with them.
Does anyone have any links that offer dyno related information for good quality upgrades? Please, DYNO results only.
Many thanks,
Rob
I'm thinking about buying this bike, and was wondering if there is any information about dyno results for full systems.
I've had a browse on the 1000rr website, but from what I can tell, the bike is so noew that there isnt much information out there yet, and much of it that is out there is mostly american, so I cant really pop down to a tuner to have a discussion with them.
Does anyone have any links that offer dyno related information for good quality upgrades? Please, DYNO results only.
Many thanks,
Rob
i believe the majority of them push around 180 at the wheel with pcm and akro full system.
not only that but the akro system is the only one to be recommended by honda as well as being the only one that does not invalidate your warranty.
oh and they sound the nuts as well.
but in reality do you really need these things?? the r&d budget put into making that standard system is huge and it is a very good system and all in all your only going to gain 4-5 bhp for a lot of money, after riding 15+ 08 blades i can honestly say you will not find a better uber bike at the minute. (unless its a works kitted hm plant coloured blade.....)
not only that but the akro system is the only one to be recommended by honda as well as being the only one that does not invalidate your warranty.
oh and they sound the nuts as well.
but in reality do you really need these things?? the r&d budget put into making that standard system is huge and it is a very good system and all in all your only going to gain 4-5 bhp for a lot of money, after riding 15+ 08 blades i can honestly say you will not find a better uber bike at the minute. (unless its a works kitted hm plant coloured blade.....)
I was at Hein Gericke,Braintree for its opening at the weekend and an 08 blade with a race pipe fitted made 161RWHP(I havent a clue if it had a PC fitted,a filter is worth naff all BHP wise),a K7 gixer thou run afterwards made 173RWHP, that bike I know had a decat,arrow cans and PC.
180RWHP is a bit wide of the mark for such basic mods ,your talking 200BHP at the crank which is what Crescent claimed for their nigh on BSB spec K7 showcase with ££££££££££££ spent on Yoshi bits and lots of internal engine work however you'll reap larger rewards in torque ,driveability by going down this route as well as handful of horses.
Its worth noting that you really want a remap suited to your particular bike and mods,not Dynojets "generic" maps you can download from their website.Lots of places sell PC's and rolling road "tune" but not all of them can carry out the remapping service.
I know you can pick up a PC cheap (ish) off eBay but it can work out cheaper in the long run to work out a deal with a dyno centre who can fit the lot and include into the offer as many dyno runs as is required to map it in perfectly.
180RWHP is a bit wide of the mark for such basic mods ,your talking 200BHP at the crank which is what Crescent claimed for their nigh on BSB spec K7 showcase with ££££££££££££ spent on Yoshi bits and lots of internal engine work however you'll reap larger rewards in torque ,driveability by going down this route as well as handful of horses.
Its worth noting that you really want a remap suited to your particular bike and mods,not Dynojets "generic" maps you can download from their website.Lots of places sell PC's and rolling road "tune" but not all of them can carry out the remapping service.
I know you can pick up a PC cheap (ish) off eBay but it can work out cheaper in the long run to work out a deal with a dyno centre who can fit the lot and include into the offer as many dyno runs as is required to map it in perfectly.
podman said:
I was at Hein Gericke,Braintree for its opening at the weekend and an 08 blade with a race pipe fitted made 161RWHP(I havent a clue if it had a PC fitted,a filter is worth naff all BHP wise),a K7 gixer thou run afterwards made 173RWHP, that bike I know had a decat,arrow cans and PC.
180RWHP is a bit wide of the mark for such basic mods ,your talking 200BHP at the crank which is what Crescent claimed for their nigh on BSB spec K7 showcase with ££££££££££££ spent on Yoshi bits and lots of internal engine work however you'll reap larger rewards in torque ,driveability by going down this route as well as handful of horses.
Its worth noting that you really want a remap suited to your particular bike and mods,not Dynojets "generic" maps you can download from their website.Lots of places sell PC's and rolling road "tune" but not all of them can carry out the remapping service.
I know you can pick up a PC cheap (ish) off eBay but it can work out cheaper in the long run to work out a deal with a dyno centre who can fit the lot and include into the offer as many dyno runs as is required to map it in perfectly.
obviously i know nothing.....180RWHP is a bit wide of the mark for such basic mods ,your talking 200BHP at the crank which is what Crescent claimed for their nigh on BSB spec K7 showcase with ££££££££££££ spent on Yoshi bits and lots of internal engine work however you'll reap larger rewards in torque ,driveability by going down this route as well as handful of horses.
Its worth noting that you really want a remap suited to your particular bike and mods,not Dynojets "generic" maps you can download from their website.Lots of places sell PC's and rolling road "tune" but not all of them can carry out the remapping service.
I know you can pick up a PC cheap (ish) off eBay but it can work out cheaper in the long run to work out a deal with a dyno centre who can fit the lot and include into the offer as many dyno runs as is required to map it in perfectly.
castrolcraig said:
i believe the majority of them push around 180 at the wheel with pcm and akro full system.
Which dyno is that on ?.
but in reality do you really need these things?? the r&d budget put into making that standard system is huge and it is a very good system and all in all your only going to gain 4-5 bhp for a lot of money,
Are these really making 176 bhp at the wheel as standard ?.Which dyno is that on ?.
but in reality do you really need these things?? the r&d budget put into making that standard system is huge and it is a very good system and all in all your only going to gain 4-5 bhp for a lot of money,
Just looked at bike magazines test and they got 165 bhp.
Edited by blade7 on Wednesday 11th June 15:43
Different dynos, different bikes, different days, different conditions, and its not surprising to get different results.
Craig, do I NEED these things? No. Do I WANT them? Yes. I dont like the look of the stock exhaust, and would like to get something smaller and lighter. And if I can get a bit more power into the bargain, why not?
So you know a little about me, I’m 38, and have been riding bikes for about 20 years. I’ve done quite a few track days, and my most recent bike was an 04 R1 for 3 years. I’m no racer, but I know what I like. I also expect that I’ll do a bit to the bike in terms of suspension and brakes, but these are things I’ll do in time. I really just want to get rid of the exhaust for now, as, despite it being the best bike out there, I just don’t like the look of that exhaust.
Craig, do I NEED these things? No. Do I WANT them? Yes. I dont like the look of the stock exhaust, and would like to get something smaller and lighter. And if I can get a bit more power into the bargain, why not?
So you know a little about me, I’m 38, and have been riding bikes for about 20 years. I’ve done quite a few track days, and my most recent bike was an 04 R1 for 3 years. I’m no racer, but I know what I like. I also expect that I’ll do a bit to the bike in terms of suspension and brakes, but these are things I’ll do in time. I really just want to get rid of the exhaust for now, as, despite it being the best bike out there, I just don’t like the look of that exhaust.
castrolcraig said:
podman said:
I was at Hein Gericke,Braintree for its opening at the weekend and an 08 blade with a race pipe fitted made 161RWHP(I havent a clue if it had a PC fitted,a filter is worth naff all BHP wise),a K7 gixer thou run afterwards made 173RWHP, that bike I know had a decat,arrow cans and PC.
180RWHP is a bit wide of the mark for such basic mods ,your talking 200BHP at the crank which is what Crescent claimed for their nigh on BSB spec K7 showcase with ££££££££££££ spent on Yoshi bits and lots of internal engine work however you'll reap larger rewards in torque ,driveability by going down this route as well as handful of horses.
Its worth noting that you really want a remap suited to your particular bike and mods,not Dynojets "generic" maps you can download from their website.Lots of places sell PC's and rolling road "tune" but not all of them can carry out the remapping service.
I know you can pick up a PC cheap (ish) off eBay but it can work out cheaper in the long run to work out a deal with a dyno centre who can fit the lot and include into the offer as many dyno runs as is required to map it in perfectly.
obviously i know nothing.....180RWHP is a bit wide of the mark for such basic mods ,your talking 200BHP at the crank which is what Crescent claimed for their nigh on BSB spec K7 showcase with ££££££££££££ spent on Yoshi bits and lots of internal engine work however you'll reap larger rewards in torque ,driveability by going down this route as well as handful of horses.
Its worth noting that you really want a remap suited to your particular bike and mods,not Dynojets "generic" maps you can download from their website.Lots of places sell PC's and rolling road "tune" but not all of them can carry out the remapping service.
I know you can pick up a PC cheap (ish) off eBay but it can work out cheaper in the long run to work out a deal with a dyno centre who can fit the lot and include into the offer as many dyno runs as is required to map it in perfectly.
Working for Honda doesnt make you an expert in everything motorcycling,which is what I guess the"Obviously I know nothing" quip was intended to be.
My reponse to the thread was perfectly valid and I hoped added to the subject from my knowledge and experience.Which obviously isnt as "good" as yours.
So dont be a smart ass when your not really sure about something eh?..unless of course your going to post up that" I beleive they make 180RWHP" dyno graph for us to see..along with your "mates" 165RWHP 1098...
Edited by podman on Wednesday 11th June 19:39
podman said:
castrolcraig said:
podman said:
I was at Hein Gericke,Braintree for its opening at the weekend and an 08 blade with a race pipe fitted made 161RWHP(I havent a clue if it had a PC fitted,a filter is worth naff all BHP wise),a K7 gixer thou run afterwards made 173RWHP, that bike I know had a decat,arrow cans and PC.
180RWHP is a bit wide of the mark for such basic mods ,your talking 200BHP at the crank which is what Crescent claimed for their nigh on BSB spec K7 showcase with ££££££££££££ spent on Yoshi bits and lots of internal engine work however you'll reap larger rewards in torque ,driveability by going down this route as well as handful of horses.
Its worth noting that you really want a remap suited to your particular bike and mods,not Dynojets "generic" maps you can download from their website.Lots of places sell PC's and rolling road "tune" but not all of them can carry out the remapping service.
I know you can pick up a PC cheap (ish) off eBay but it can work out cheaper in the long run to work out a deal with a dyno centre who can fit the lot and include into the offer as many dyno runs as is required to map it in perfectly.
obviously i know nothing.....180RWHP is a bit wide of the mark for such basic mods ,your talking 200BHP at the crank which is what Crescent claimed for their nigh on BSB spec K7 showcase with ££££££££££££ spent on Yoshi bits and lots of internal engine work however you'll reap larger rewards in torque ,driveability by going down this route as well as handful of horses.
Its worth noting that you really want a remap suited to your particular bike and mods,not Dynojets "generic" maps you can download from their website.Lots of places sell PC's and rolling road "tune" but not all of them can carry out the remapping service.
I know you can pick up a PC cheap (ish) off eBay but it can work out cheaper in the long run to work out a deal with a dyno centre who can fit the lot and include into the offer as many dyno runs as is required to map it in perfectly.
Working for Honda doesnt make you an expert in everything motorcycling,which is what I guess the"Obviously I know nothing" quip was intended to be.
So dont be a smart ass when your not really sure about something eh?..unless of course your going to post up that" I beleive they make 180RWHP" dyno graph for us to see..along with your "mates" 165RWHP 1098...
all i was doing is offering a bit of advice, and luckily on this subject i do now what im talking about so please, stop trolling.
and on that i retire.
Edited by castrolcraig on Wednesday 11th June 19:47
[quote=big_rob_sydney]Different dynos, different bikes, different days, different conditions, and its not surprising to get different results.
All the litre bikes made near enough the same power, it seems the blade is the easiest of them to ride, you can buy into the journo hype if you like but if you think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them you are either a BSB contender or a dreamer.
All the litre bikes made near enough the same power, it seems the blade is the easiest of them to ride, you can buy into the journo hype if you like but if you think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them you are either a BSB contender or a dreamer.
blade7 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Different dynos, different bikes, different days, different conditions, and its not surprising to get different results.
All the litre bikes made near enough the same power, it seems the blade is the easiest of them to ride, you can buy into the journo hype if you like but if you think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them you are either a BSB contender or a dreamer.
All the litre bikes made near enough the same power, it seems the blade is the easiest of them to ride, you can buy into the journo hype if you like but if you think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them you are either a BSB contender or a dreamer.
best quote of the topic, (unless your names leon, cal or shakey)
blade7 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Different dynos, different bikes, different days, different conditions, and its not surprising to get different results.
All the litre bikes made near enough the same power, it seems the blade is the easiest of them to ride, you can buy into the journo hype if you like but if you think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them you are either a BSB contender or a dreamer.Yes, I’ve read many of the reviews, and I understand that the blade is a great bike – that’s why I’m asking about it. Not sure where you got the impression I "think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them" from? As I stated, I dont like the look of the exhaust, and want to change it, and since I'm changing it, I want to get something that will be a step forwards.
Hopefully that’s ok?
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Thursday 12th June 13:10
big_rob_sydney said:
blade7 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Different dynos, different bikes, different days, different conditions, and its not surprising to get different results.
All the litre bikes made near enough the same power, it seems the blade is the easiest of them to ride, you can buy into the journo hype if you like but if you think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them you are either a BSB contender or a dreamer.Yes, I’ve read many of the reviews, and I understand that the blade is a great bike – that’s why I’m asking about it. Not sure where you got the impression I "think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them" from? As I stated, I dont like the look of the exhaust, and want to change it, and since I'm changing it, I want to get something that will be a step forwards.
Hopefully that’s ok?
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Thursday 12th June 13:10
[quote=alfa daley]Hardly trolling by claiming that the new blade might, just might, not make 180 at the wheel. Personally, I would be amazed if it did over 170 stock. If it does sign me up now (anyone want to lend me 9K 
)[/quot]
sorry mate i aint got 9k....
)[/quot]sorry mate i aint got 9k....
Edited by castrolcraig on Thursday 12th June 20:37
castrolcraig said:
big_rob_sydney said:
blade7 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Different dynos, different bikes, different days, different conditions, and its not surprising to get different results.
All the litre bikes made near enough the same power, it seems the blade is the easiest of them to ride, you can buy into the journo hype if you like but if you think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them you are either a BSB contender or a dreamer.Yes, I’ve read many of the reviews, and I understand that the blade is a great bike – that’s why I’m asking about it. Not sure where you got the impression I "think you are going to ride significantly faster on any one of them" from? As I stated, I dont like the look of the exhaust, and want to change it, and since I'm changing it, I want to get something that will be a step forwards.
Hopefully that’s ok?
As the bike is quite new, I’m not aware of any dyno charts, so I was hoping others in the biking community might be able to point me in the right direction. Do you know of any links I can check out that show before and after dyno runs?
Thanks in advance.
Rob
ETA
http://www.akrapovic.com/product-catalog/motorcycl...
I have found the dyno charts for racing systems, but they dont seem to have any road legal systems at this time.
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Friday 13th June 13:55
Thank you for the advice.
As the bike is quite new, I’m not aware of any dyno charts, so I was hoping others in the biking community might be able to point me in the right direction. Do you know of any links I can check out that show before and after dyno runs?
Thanks in advance.
Rob
ETA
http://www.akrapovic.com/product-catalog/motorcycl...
I have found the dyno charts for racing systems, but they dont seem to have any road legal systems at this time.
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Why do you want to see dyno results ?,you might get 2% more performance with a can, the noise may make you think you have gained more, they are mainly for a bit of weight saving, not that you will notice that much either, and for looks. Oh yes the litre bikes performance similarity I mentioned earlier wasn't direct at you it was a general observation o.k.
Troll that knows nothing here again, depsite the fact he was probably riding bikes whilst the Honda tea boy-sorry, head techie, was masturbating over his first edition of Max Power,thats a real dream list of cars you've owned Craig..bit of a know it all late starter really aint ya?..Yes, now I am trolling buddy.
Anyway, on with some facts rather that some” I believes", I had my K7 Thou PC and re-mapped today at RGS motorsport(01933 441451-ask for Gary, nice chap and makes a great cuppa), the good news was that it was giving 169RWHP as it was(just a de-catted exhaust system),take into account that a heavily modified K4 race bike which had come off the dyno 5 mins before hand made less peak power its a hell of a good base figure, however the K4 made tons more torque so on the track and road would in reality be far more useful.
After the PC was fitted and several runs completed we managed to find another 3BHP(maybe more but the dyno room was getting hotter and hotter as time went on), the biggest gains however where made on part throttle openings and torque, which went from 77ft lb @10,200RPM to 81ftlb @ 9,800RPM, which makes the bike far nicer to ride, the pick up is now imense, really that’s what your paying for.
Anyway, on with some facts rather that some” I believes", I had my K7 Thou PC and re-mapped today at RGS motorsport(01933 441451-ask for Gary, nice chap and makes a great cuppa), the good news was that it was giving 169RWHP as it was(just a de-catted exhaust system),take into account that a heavily modified K4 race bike which had come off the dyno 5 mins before hand made less peak power its a hell of a good base figure, however the K4 made tons more torque so on the track and road would in reality be far more useful.
After the PC was fitted and several runs completed we managed to find another 3BHP(maybe more but the dyno room was getting hotter and hotter as time went on), the biggest gains however where made on part throttle openings and torque, which went from 77ft lb @10,200RPM to 81ftlb @ 9,800RPM, which makes the bike far nicer to ride, the pick up is now imense, really that’s what your paying for.
podman said:
After the PC was fitted and several runs completed we managed to find another 3BHP(maybe more but the dyno room was getting hotter and hotter as time went on), the biggest gains however where made on part throttle openings and torque, which went from 77ft lb @10,200RPM to 81ftlb @ 9,800RPM, which makes the bike far nicer to ride, the pick up is now imense, really that’s what your paying for.
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