Autobahn

[EL77]

Could someone tell me where the first de-restricted autobahn is?

We want to make sure what we've been told about the F50 is true!!!

[smack]

EL77 said:

Could someone tell me where the first de-restricted autobahn is?

We want to make sure what we've been told about the F50 is true!!!

Main problem is finding one which is straight, smooth and good condition (many are not), have enough lanes, are not jammed with too many cars and trucks, and doesn't have road works every 10 miles.

Do you mean closest to blighty? Probably the E40/A4 towards Koln. But that is a busy area of Germany.

[dazren]

A few suggestions although none of them are particularly close to the UK.

Brabus test their cars on the A31 north of Bottrop.

A PHer has previously mentioned doing well over 200+ on an autobahn near Frankfurt Airport. This was done at sunrise on a sunday morning to allow for minimal traffic.

My personal favourite, The A7 from Ulm down to Kempten, a few very fast stretches with minimal traffic.

I think RUF use the A96 near Mindelheim (not far from the A7 mentioned above)


To do any sort of high speed runs, you really need to be looking at doing a dawn run on the weekend, ie very light traffic and no lorries on the roads.

[absolutely]

I thought it was from Berlin to Frankfurt.

[dazren]

absolutely said:

I thought it was from Berlin to Frankfurt.

Could well be, although the second line of the OP indicates he wants to find a decent autobahn to exercise an F50.

[dcb]

dazren said:

A PHer has previously mentioned doing well over 200+ on an autobahn near Frankfurt Airport. This was done at sunrise on a sunday morning to allow for minimal traffic.

The A5 from Frankfurt to Darmstadt is probably the
best bet in the whole of Europe for fast runs.

Seventy years ago, 250 mph was achieved ;->

Four lanes each way, no limits, straight but not level
and about 20 miles long.

Most German autobahn is two lanes each way.

There is some three lane each way from Koln to Berlin,
Berlin to Munich and Munich, via Frankfurt, to Koln,
but for lots of four lane each way see above.

Much more detail on

http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/index_e.html

dazren said:

To do any sort of high speed runs, you really need to be looking at doing a dawn run on the weekend, ie very light traffic and no lorries on the roads.

5am to 7am Sunday morning is good.
Most Germans are sleeping off their hangover.

Don't lane hog at 150 mph in lane 4 either
- folks will be flashing you to get past.

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dazren said:

A few suggestions although none of them are particulalry close to the UK.

Brabus test their cars on the A31 north of Bottrop.

A PHer has previously mentioned doing well over 200+ on an autobahn near Frankfurt Airport. This was done at sunrise on a sunday morning to allow for minimal traffic.

Yes the A5 around Frankfurt and that is quite good. It is quite an old Autobahn from the 30's, which meant they had more countryside to pick where they built them. I recall from I think it was the Merc Museum that they used to run do there speed record runs down it during the pre war period. Sometimes during the day traffic is light, but rare that you will get a long clear run.

dazren said:

My personal favourite, The A7 from Ulm down to Kempten, a few very fast stretches with minimal traffic.

I did the A7 from Ulm to Memmington a few weeks back and totally aggree - quite a nice stretch that allowed for 160+ runs. The A96 from there is fast flowing, but I found a bit bumpy which made it a bit hairy when I was chasing a local who was shifting.

It may be quite away from the UK, but it is on the doorstep of the Alps, which is a perfectly good reason to make the effort in my book

dazren said:

I think RUF use the A96 near Mindelheim (not far from the A7 mentioned above)


To do any sort of high speed runs, you really need to be looking at doing a dawn run on the weekend, ie very light traffic and no lorries on the roads.

[r129sl]

The A6 from Saarbrucken to Mannheim is not a million miles from the Channel ports and has some good, quiet stretches (and some two-lane rubbish). The further end is better. I was able to do 160+ the other day... and I I was still overtaken.

[dcb]

r129sl said:

The A6 from Saarbrucken to Mannheim is not a million miles from the Channel ports and has some good, quiet stretches (and some two-lane rubbish). The further end is better. I was able to do 160+ the other day... and I I was still overtaken.

Keen. I rarely get past 120 mph or so on that section.

The A3 Koln-Frankfurt road can be good when it's quiet.
Three lanes each way, no limits.

Trouble is, the bends in it feel a bit risky over about 130 mph.

A9 Nurnberg to Munich also three lanes each way no limits.
Visibility in some sections can be up to a couple of miles,
so there's every excuse for a few 140 mph runs.

Is the Ruhrgebiet to Berlin A2 any good or is it filled
with Polish plumbers ?

[dazren]

And as if by magic a 206mph run on the A5......

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[dcb]

dazren said:

And as if by magic a 206mph run on the A5......

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Lovely.

Free roads for free people.

Mind you, I was 150 mph down there once and some
middle aged lady pulled out without looking, only
doing about 110 mph tops in her Nissan Micra.

Full beam and an emergency stamp of the brakes.

[vonhosen]

dcb said:

dazren said:

And as if by magic a 206mph run on the A5......

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Lovely.

Free roads for free people.

Mind you, I was 150 mph down there once and some
middle aged lady pulled out without looking, only
doing about 110 mph tops in her Nissan Micra.

Full beam and an emergency stamp of the brakes.

No clues to suggest she might do it ?

[hugoagogo]

A3 frankfurt - köln has loads of limited bits, and lots of unmarked cops with nothing else to do between koblenz and wiesbaden ish - i've got the points to prove it

A2 is very very busy at all times in ruhrgebiet, nearer hannover and beyond to berlin it gets a little bit quieter, but not much, and still has massive queues at rush-hour times

A31 is great, dead flat, dead straight, and as said, good chance of spotting brabuses (brabii?) in flight - but only two lanes

you have to watch cars ahead to see if they are gaining on slower cars or trucks, and thus likely to pull out, give them a pre-emptive couple of flashes and left indicator but be prepared to stomp on the stoppers anyway

trucks are still quite likely to pull out on you though

[kryten22uk]

hugoagogo said:

you have to watch cars ahead to see if they are gaining on slower cars or trucks, and thus likely to pull out, give them a pre-emptive couple of flashes and left indicator but be prepared to stomp on the stoppers anyway

Blimey, when you're on the inside lane approaching a slower car and the car behind you in the outside lane flashes you it usually means that you're inviting them to pull out! From what you mention it looks like either rules are different on the continent, or there is a dangerous ambiguity about flashing headlights.

[hugoagogo]

over here, generally a flash means exactly what it's supposed to mean as in the highway code ie "look out i am here"

if you flash people to let them out, they'll stay put

[kryten22uk]

hugoagogo said:

over here, generally a flash means exactly what it's supposed to mean as in the highway code ie "look out i am here"

Its supposed to mean that here in UK too. But for some reason it is also used to let people out.

[hugoagogo]

yeah i know
something to watch out for if you're over here

there are a few odd little things that are different in Germany, like you're not supposed to indicate before you enter a roundabout, as you do in the UK

[hugoagogo]

yeah i know
something to watch out for if you're over here

there are a few odd little things that are different in Germany, like you're not supposed to indicate before you enter a roundabout, as you do in the UK

[dcb]

hugoagogo said:

A3 frankfurt - köln has loads of limited bits, and lots of unmarked cops with nothing else to do between koblenz and wiesbaden ish - i've got the points to prove it

I don't recall many limited bits on the A3
from Koln to Frankfurt.

Wild guess, but do you mean roadworks on the A3 or
the A61 Dutch caravanner's route ?

hugoagogo said:

you have to watch cars ahead to see if they are gaining on slower cars or trucks, and thus likely to pull out, give them a pre-emptive couple of flashes and left indicator but be prepared to stomp on the stoppers anyway

trucks are still quite likely to pull out on you though

Thanks for the tip. When I'm some 215% of the speed
I've been trained to cope with, I'll remember that ;->

[hugoagogo]

handy website with plans of most autobahns, showing limits http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/index_e.html

click on 'routes'

here's the a3 one

http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/A3.htm

I used to drive the a3 and/or the 61 from düsseldorf to mainz at least twice a week for about 8 years, i could do it in my sleep