Norfolk police crush cars!
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simpo two

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90,438 posts

285 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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From BBC1 local news:

New slogan: 'No excuses, no exceptions, no escape'.

14,000 drivers in Norfolk have been prosecuted for not having their cars taxed. Unlicensed cars are taken as 'abandoned' cars so therefore they can
be crushed without fear of guilt.

In fact Norfolk police had a big pile of crushed cars on display (viewers were treated to plenty of footage of a crusher in action and told how many tons of pressure it used). The wrecks are then sent abroad for recycling.

My thoughts: all this crushing must cost the police, sorry, you and me, a lot of money. Wouldn't it be better to give the unfortunate drivers 7 days
to pay the tax - then the state would get the money in rather than spend it?

Oh, and the victims can still get to work, pick the kids up from school etc.

Devils Advocate

44 posts

274 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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Not sure about "victims"?
If you are responsible enough to drive a car on the road then you should e responsible enough to tax and insure it (no tax also means invalid insurance!)

_Al_

5,618 posts

278 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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No sympathy for the untaxed, but I think it'd be much better environmentally for the cars to be auctioned off.

Sure, if they're MOTless or something skip 'em, but if they're anywhere near decent I know a few people who'd take them.

CarZee

13,382 posts

287 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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Agree with Al entirely.. There's no arguing with having Tax & Insurance. At the same time, it'd be a crime for any wothwhile motors to be crushed rather than offered to us at a private penny auction

blueyes

4,799 posts

272 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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Devils Advocate said:
no tax also means invalid insurance!


Not so sure about that. Did you mean M.O.T? Although I'm not even sure about that. BIB's please educate us!

Mad Man

203 posts

276 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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Why not sell the things at a auction & have the money used for something useful? Public services are crying out for the money & to just crush thousands of pounds worth of motors just does not seem right.

simpo two

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Wednesday 27th August 2003
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I don't dispute that not taxing a car is wrong, I just think the miscreants should have a chance to put things right and give some money to our cash-strapped government. A 7-day warning would be better for everyone, raise more money and avoid the inevitable sense of injustice to see your motor smashed up for the sake of £165. I also didn't like the threatening tone of the report.

alans

3,615 posts

276 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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Mad Man said:
Why not sell the things at a auction & have the money used for something useful? Public services are crying out for the money & to just crush thousands of pounds worth of motors just does not seem right.

GATSO?

_Al_

5,618 posts

278 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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alans said:


GATSO?



You mean crush one? Sure! You supply the machine I'll gladly push the button!

alans

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Wednesday 27th August 2003
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_Al_ said:

alans said:


GATSO?




You mean crush one? Sure! You supply the machine I'll gladly push the button!


You being a Mech Eng and me a Elec Eng I'm sure we could come up with something

deltaf

6,806 posts

273 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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Got any room for a vandal?



>> Edited by deltaf on Wednesday 27th August 21:02

madcop

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283 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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blueyes said:

Devils Advocate said:
no tax also means invalid insurance!



Not so sure about that. Did you mean M.O.T? Although I'm not even sure about that. BIB's please educate us!


Having no tax does not invalidate your insurance.
Many cars that have no tax have no insurance or MOT but not all.

That is why the policy is to allow people 2 weeks to tax their cars so that if money is tight at the end of the month, you can spread the cost over to the next month.

No tax is an offence from the minute it runs out if the car or vehicle is used or parked on a road maintained at public expense. It can be dealt with from that minute onwards. Attitude is all important if stopped for this infringement!

alans

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276 months

Wednesday 27th August 2003
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madcop said:

blueyes said:


Devils Advocate said:
no tax also means invalid insurance!




Not so sure about that. Did you mean M.O.T? Although I'm not even sure about that. BIB's please educate us!



Having no tax does not invalidate your insurance.
Many cars that have no tax have no insurance or MOT but not all.

That is why the policy is to allow people 2 weeks to tax their cars so that if money is tight at the end of the month, you can spread the cost over to the next month.

No tax is an offence from the minute it runs out if the car or vehicle is used or parked on a road maintained at public expense. It can be dealt with from that minute onwards. Attitude is all important if stopped for this infringement!


I had a Rover 820 about 10 years ago, I bought it with no tax and asked my insurance company for a cover note (this was on a Friday) come Monday morning 15 mile drive to work all motorway, public transport not an option. So I thought I would risk it (no cover note yet), on the way home BiB Rover passes me in the outside lane (i was in the left hand lane) traffic fairly heavy and he saw I had no tax!!! must have bionic eyes. Anyway get pulled, I was given a producer that also required a valid tax disc back dated to beginning of month. Fair enough, excellent attitude from the BiB.

simpo two

Original Poster:

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Wednesday 27th August 2003
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madcop said:
That is why the policy is to allow people 2 weeks to tax their cars so that if money is tight at the end of the month, you can spread the cost over to the next month....
Attitude is all important if stopped for this infringement!


A breath of humanity Madcop. What a pity that the image Norfolk Police's PR dept chose to present on TV was one of zero tolerance, cut your nuts off, smash up your car for being a bad boy etc. And the BBC happily sends it out on the airwaves. I don't envy you.

pbrettle

3,280 posts

303 months

Thursday 28th August 2003
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simpo two said:

A breath of humanity Madcop. What a pity that the image Norfolk Police's PR dept chose to present on TV was one of zero tolerance, cut your nuts off, smash up your car for being a bad boy etc. And the BBC happily sends it out on the airwaves. I don't envy you.


I know what you mean as it is a joke, but 14,000 cars were untaxed in farm-jakkerland and that is getting to be a joke - zero tollerance is fine, but maybe they should focus on something more serious like street crime, or burglaries etc..... Road Fund License evasion isnt exactly life threatening....

Mind you - here is a new game - next time you are on a long run, take a look at all of the cars around you and check out for no tax or seat belts..... on a recent run round the M25 I saw at least 20 cars without one or both..... and saw at least 5 which would have had no MOT and unlikely to have no insurance also - this is getting to be a major problem and has to be dealt with....

Mad Man

203 posts

276 months

Thursday 28th August 2003
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alans said:

Mad Man said:
Why not sell the things at a auction & have the money used for something useful? Public services are crying out for the money & to just crush thousands of pounds worth of motors just does not seem right.


GATSO?


GATSO's weren't quite what I had in mind. No doubt some government pleb would disagree though..

_Al_

5,618 posts

278 months

Thursday 28th August 2003
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alans said:

_Al_ said:


alans said:


GATSO?





You mean crush one? Sure! You supply the machine I'll gladly push the button!



You being a Mech Eng and me a Elec Eng I'm sure we could come up with something



_Al_

5,618 posts

278 months

Thursday 28th August 2003
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deltaf said:
Got any room for a vandal?






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