Valentino Rossi
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It's a good while since i said it, but i have no shame in repeating it.
This guy is the real deal. He is the best GP racer there has been, period.
The people telling me that Lorenzo and Toseland and Stoner, etc., were as good as him or better than him, even, were as wrong then as they are now!
On a clearly inferior bike, the awesome lanky Italian is showing them the way home!
This guy is the real deal. He is the best GP racer there has been, period.
The people telling me that Lorenzo and Toseland and Stoner, etc., were as good as him or better than him, even, were as wrong then as they are now!
On a clearly inferior bike, the awesome lanky Italian is showing them the way home!
uummm the results of the rest of the yamaha's suggest that Rossi has the best bike, then it depends on the tyres.
Stoner has the fastest bike in a straight line ... but a racetrack has bends and his package if you judge the rest of the Ducati riders is the worst.
So based on that Stoner is the best rider in the paddock because he out qualifies the rest of the Dukes by a greater time difference and more places than any other MotoGP rider ... lies damned lies and statistics.
Stoner has the fastest bike in a straight line ... but a racetrack has bends and his package if you judge the rest of the Ducati riders is the worst.
So based on that Stoner is the best rider in the paddock because he out qualifies the rest of the Dukes by a greater time difference and more places than any other MotoGP rider ... lies damned lies and statistics.
Beemer-5 said:
It's a good while since i said it, but i have no shame in repeating it.
This guy is the real deal. He is the best GP racer there has been, period.
The people telling me that Lorenzo and Toseland and Stoner, etc., were as good as him or better than him, even, were as wrong then as they are now!
On a clearly inferior bike, the awesome lanky Italian is showing them the way home!
I actually agree with you regarding the fact that they guy is a legend, and that a GP race without him, is slightly less exciting to watch. AFAIAC, he's the best, and I don't care what his tyres are doing, or what his latest bike trickery does...No, I'm not listening...I'm not arguing....Rossi is the guv'nor.This guy is the real deal. He is the best GP racer there has been, period.
The people telling me that Lorenzo and Toseland and Stoner, etc., were as good as him or better than him, even, were as wrong then as they are now!
On a clearly inferior bike, the awesome lanky Italian is showing them the way home!
Suggestions that Rossi has the best bike don't really stack up.
For a start the Yam M1 was FAR from competitive when he switched to Yamaha-OK the influence of Jerry Burgess is probably significant.
Any GP racer who has accumulated the number of World titles in ALL classes that he has is unlikely to always have had the best bike.
I recall another GP rider commenting himself that he had followed Rossi on track & "that thing (bike)was moving about all over the place. How he kept putting in the lap times was beyond me".
Not sure if that wasn't C. Edwards esq.
For a start the Yam M1 was FAR from competitive when he switched to Yamaha-OK the influence of Jerry Burgess is probably significant.
Any GP racer who has accumulated the number of World titles in ALL classes that he has is unlikely to always have had the best bike.
I recall another GP rider commenting himself that he had followed Rossi on track & "that thing (bike)was moving about all over the place. How he kept putting in the lap times was beyond me".
Not sure if that wasn't C. Edwards esq.
sprinter885 said:
Suggestions that Rossi has the best bike don't really stack up.
For a start the Yam M1 was FAR from competitive when he switched to Yamaha-OK the influence of Jerry Burgess is probably significant.
Any GP racer who has accumulated the number of World titles in ALL classes that he has is unlikely to always have had the best bike.
I recall another GP rider commenting himself that he had followed Rossi on track & "that thing (bike)was moving about all over the place. How he kept putting in the lap times was beyond me".
Not sure if that wasn't C. Edwards esq.
Please get real, the 4 Yamaha's racing in MotoGP are in the top 7 points positions in the Championship. Honda have 2 in the top 7 and Ducati 1. They are within 2 mph this year of the Ducati top speed and quicker around the bendsFor a start the Yam M1 was FAR from competitive when he switched to Yamaha-OK the influence of Jerry Burgess is probably significant.
Any GP racer who has accumulated the number of World titles in ALL classes that he has is unlikely to always have had the best bike.
I recall another GP rider commenting himself that he had followed Rossi on track & "that thing (bike)was moving about all over the place. How he kept putting in the lap times was beyond me".
Not sure if that wasn't C. Edwards esq.
Of the 7 races this year yamaha have won 4 with 2 different riders, Honda 2 and Ducati 1.
Now I am not saying Rossi is not the best rider just that he has the best bike.
Doesn't matter what bike Rossi is on, the overriding factor is if all bikes were absolutely equal in every respect, Rossi would always be the benchmark. Everyone wants to beat him, and everyone wants to follow him, as well as be followed by him.
Stoner is good on the Ducati, but I'm still not convinced he's going to become a 'great'. I'd like to see him on a Yamaha right now.
The problem for me with Moto GP is the similarity with Grand Prix were older drivers are replaced so frequently for younger upcoming ones. Rather proving the point, and not because he got a podium last time out, David Coulthard could still be up there with the top six if he were in one of the top three teams. So where is Gibernau and where is Biaggi, to name but two? Sometimes it takes years to make a 'great'. Nigel Mansell comes to mind.
Like him or not, when it comes to racing Rossi is in a class of his own. He simply has the consistency, pace and race craft no other racer can match, and it's not often when he doesn't win it's his fault.
Stoner is good on the Ducati, but I'm still not convinced he's going to become a 'great'. I'd like to see him on a Yamaha right now.
The problem for me with Moto GP is the similarity with Grand Prix were older drivers are replaced so frequently for younger upcoming ones. Rather proving the point, and not because he got a podium last time out, David Coulthard could still be up there with the top six if he were in one of the top three teams. So where is Gibernau and where is Biaggi, to name but two? Sometimes it takes years to make a 'great'. Nigel Mansell comes to mind.
Like him or not, when it comes to racing Rossi is in a class of his own. He simply has the consistency, pace and race craft no other racer can match, and it's not often when he doesn't win it's his fault.
Edited by Rocket Pepper on Tuesday 17th June 11:11
I was thinking about this as I rode to work this morning. Rossi is absolutely mercurial on whatever bike he rides. Years ago when in the 125 and 250 class it was obvious that he could make a bike do stuff that nobody else could.
He is a riding god.
Stoner is good (sticks in throat to type that - whining little aussie chav)and Ducati have built a bike that only he can can get to work. I had great hopes for Marco Melandri this year but the Ducati is obviously a one style only bike.
Stoner has a World Champioship to his name - he's good.
Rossi has many World Champioships to his name - he's god.
Kenny Jnr has a World Champioship to his name - he's good.
Kevin Swantz has a World Champioship to his name - he's god, but not as god like as Vale.
Now i'm going home to put on my yellow 46 t-shirt and not take it off until after Sunday.
He is a riding god.
Stoner is good (sticks in throat to type that - whining little aussie chav)and Ducati have built a bike that only he can can get to work. I had great hopes for Marco Melandri this year but the Ducati is obviously a one style only bike.
Stoner has a World Champioship to his name - he's good.
Rossi has many World Champioships to his name - he's god.
Kenny Jnr has a World Champioship to his name - he's good.
Kevin Swantz has a World Champioship to his name - he's god, but not as god like as Vale.
Now i'm going home to put on my yellow 46 t-shirt and not take it off until after Sunday.
I think Rossi is a fantastic rider but the main thing that puts me off him is that whenever you mention Moto GP to anyone who's not too interested in bikes, they always say that Rossi is the best rider in the world and that no one ca beat him. Then you tell them who won the championship last year and they say 'who's stoner?'
Chilli said:
Beemer-5 said:
It's a good while since i said it, but i have no shame in repeating it.
This guy is the real deal. He is the best GP racer there has been, period.
The people telling me that Lorenzo and Toseland and Stoner, etc., were as good as him or better than him, even, were as wrong then as they are now!
On a clearly inferior bike, the awesome lanky Italian is showing them the way home!
I actually agree with you regarding the fact that they guy is a legend, and that a GP race without him, is slightly less exciting to watch. AFAIAC, he's the best, and I don't care what his tyres are doing, or what his latest bike trickery does...No, I'm not listening...I'm not arguing....Rossi is the guv'nor.This guy is the real deal. He is the best GP racer there has been, period.
The people telling me that Lorenzo and Toseland and Stoner, etc., were as good as him or better than him, even, were as wrong then as they are now!
On a clearly inferior bike, the awesome lanky Italian is showing them the way home!
Having raced bikes and watched live motorcycle racing for 35 years, i know he's the best there has been.
Carl-H said:
I think Rossi is a fantastic rider but the main thing that puts me off him is that whenever you mention Moto GP to anyone who's not too interested in bikes, they always say that Rossi is the best rider in the world and that no one ca beat him. Then you tell them who won the championship last year and they say 'who's stoner?'
Then let's keep the conversation amongst us race fans, then. Sorted.I saw how incredibly good Doohan was, i watched him race live in 11 countries, but only Rossi is better than the former GP Aussie master.
Perhaps a way of telling if a rider is "great" is to see if they made the difference in the championship
Rossi has undoubtable won championships where he made the difference in terms of bike speed particularly the 2004 MotoGP season where a posse of Honda's chased him. All other times he won by a country mile on the best bike, just like Casey Stoner last year.
Interestingly it could be argued Rossi wins because he jumps onto technology developed by another rider Doohan's honda 500cc then the Yamaha developed by Biaggi.
Now he has just jumped onto the tyres developed by Stoner and they have copied the setup ie weight well back of the Ducati. And this is the key Jeremy Burgess the Engineer has won 11 MotoGP titles with Wayne Gardner, Doohan and Rossi he is what makes Rossi from good to great
Rossi has undoubtable won championships where he made the difference in terms of bike speed particularly the 2004 MotoGP season where a posse of Honda's chased him. All other times he won by a country mile on the best bike, just like Casey Stoner last year.
Interestingly it could be argued Rossi wins because he jumps onto technology developed by another rider Doohan's honda 500cc then the Yamaha developed by Biaggi.
Now he has just jumped onto the tyres developed by Stoner and they have copied the setup ie weight well back of the Ducati. And this is the key Jeremy Burgess the Engineer has won 11 MotoGP titles with Wayne Gardner, Doohan and Rossi he is what makes Rossi from good to great
Cynic.
Rossi's input in developing bikes with whatever engineers he has worked with has only added to his capabilities on the bike.
Not since Hailwood (I'd suggest) has there been a rider that has moved from the smallest to biggest classes & won World Championships in each- and coped with 3 changes to regulations covering the "BIG" class in both capacity/engine config & two/four stroke. Oh & not to mention changing tyre manufacturers too.
Stoner may be capable of riding the Duke-but where were his championships in lower classes?
As much as I have long held Hailwood as (probably) the best ever & Agostini close second- I now firmly believe Sig. Rossi IS the best.
Rossi's input in developing bikes with whatever engineers he has worked with has only added to his capabilities on the bike.
Not since Hailwood (I'd suggest) has there been a rider that has moved from the smallest to biggest classes & won World Championships in each- and coped with 3 changes to regulations covering the "BIG" class in both capacity/engine config & two/four stroke. Oh & not to mention changing tyre manufacturers too.
Stoner may be capable of riding the Duke-but where were his championships in lower classes?
As much as I have long held Hailwood as (probably) the best ever & Agostini close second- I now firmly believe Sig. Rossi IS the best.
G Man said:
sprinter885 said:
Suggestions that Rossi has the best bike don't really stack up.
For a start the Yam M1 was FAR from competitive when he switched to Yamaha-OK the influence of Jerry Burgess is probably significant.
Any GP racer who has accumulated the number of World titles in ALL classes that he has is unlikely to always have had the best bike.
I recall another GP rider commenting himself that he had followed Rossi on track & "that thing (bike)was moving about all over the place. How he kept putting in the lap times was beyond me".
Not sure if that wasn't C. Edwards esq.
Please get real, the 4 Yamaha's racing in MotoGP are in the top 7 points positions in the Championship. Honda have 2 in the top 7 and Ducati 1. They are within 2 mph this year of the Ducati top speed and quicker around the bendsFor a start the Yam M1 was FAR from competitive when he switched to Yamaha-OK the influence of Jerry Burgess is probably significant.
Any GP racer who has accumulated the number of World titles in ALL classes that he has is unlikely to always have had the best bike.
I recall another GP rider commenting himself that he had followed Rossi on track & "that thing (bike)was moving about all over the place. How he kept putting in the lap times was beyond me".
Not sure if that wasn't C. Edwards esq.
Of the 7 races this year yamaha have won 4 with 2 different riders, Honda 2 and Ducati 1.
Now I am not saying Rossi is not the best rider just that he has the best bike.
Mr Rossi. On talent alone, no one comes close. Put everyone on equal machinery and Rossi would win again and again and again and..........
Yes, indeed.
People can make all the silly excuses and lame reasoning they want, but the fact, whether some here like it or not, is that he has won on anything he has sat on. Just about since he was old enough to sit on a bike, too.
This despite being the 'wrong shape' for a GP bike, according to the bike-makers.
Hailwood, Doohan, Rossi.
THE GP trio.
(PS.
I am a huge Carl Fogarty fan, but he would never have made a GP bike go like Valentino does.)
People can make all the silly excuses and lame reasoning they want, but the fact, whether some here like it or not, is that he has won on anything he has sat on. Just about since he was old enough to sit on a bike, too.
This despite being the 'wrong shape' for a GP bike, according to the bike-makers.
Hailwood, Doohan, Rossi.
THE GP trio.
(PS.
I am a huge Carl Fogarty fan, but he would never have made a GP bike go like Valentino does.)
Aside from his on track racecraft, I think the thing that sealed it for me was the transition from Honda to Yamaha, going from arguably the best bike to an inferior one.
By choice.
And he won.
First time out.
It's an incredibly rare and ballsy thing for a sportsman to effectively voluntarily take a step down, which is in itself an achievement, but to actually turn that into victory...
By choice.
And he won.
First time out.
It's an incredibly rare and ballsy thing for a sportsman to effectively voluntarily take a step down, which is in itself an achievement, but to actually turn that into victory...
Edited by DrTre on Tuesday 17th June 17:11
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