RK or FA would blow LH away - as ever Bernie Knows;)
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Formula 1 » Ecclestone: Lewis Hamilton isn't best in F1.
Wednesday, 18th June 2008
Both former team-mate Fernando Alonso and new world championship leader Robert Kubica would do a better job than Lewis Hamilton in the same car, F1 ringmaster Bernie Ecclestone asserts.
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Bernie Ecclestone has added his voice to those claiming Lewis Hamilton has disappointed in the 2008 Formula 1 campaign to-date, suggesting that in his opinion, at least two of the young Briton's rivals would do a better job than him in the same car.
The McLaren-Mercedes ace has come under fire from a number of quarters this year, with ex team-mate Fernando Alonso recently joining in the criticism [see separate story – click here], claiming that Hamilton was lucky in 2007 – his maiden season in the top flight – to do as well as he did.
Ecclestone, indeed, said he sympathised with the Spaniard's plight, after the double world champion returned to Renault in 2008 following a troubled campaign alongside Hamilton at McLaren last year. The sport's ringmaster said that in his opinion, Alonso – now struggling behind the wheel of a significantly less competitive car than he has had for the past few seasons – remains the finest of the current grand prix crop.
"If he was still in a McLaren he would be showing Lewis the way home,” Ecclestone told The Times. “I don't think there is any doubt about that.
“I never asked the guy – I'm going to ask him one day – whether he was told [by McLaren] he was number one.
“If he didn't ask and he wasn't told, he would have assumed he was. Having a guy that's never been in a Formula 1 car in the team with him, he'd expect to be number one, wouldn't he?
“That's what the problem was. When he found out, although he should have been number one, of course he wasn't.”
The 77-year-old also had high words of praise for BMW-Sauber's emerging star Robert Kubica, who with his flawless breakthrough victory in the Canadian Grand Prix last time out – only his 29th race in the top flight – has sensationally assumed the world championship lead.
“If you saw him in a McLaren or a Ferrari, I think I'd put my money on him blowing away Hamilton,” Ecclestone added.
“The difference with Lewis is that last year he didn't have to prove himself, because he was the new kid on the block and he wasn't expected to finish a race. This year, people say he should have won the world championship last year, and therefore he's under pressure to make sure he does it this year.”
Hamilton, however, has received a vote of confidence from Mercedes-Benz Motorsport Vice-President Norbert Haug, who sprang to the 23-year-old's defence over his embarrassing exit in Montreal, when he crashed into the back of the Ferrari of chief title rival Kimi Raikkonen in the pit-lane, for which he has since received a ten-place grid penalty for the upcoming French Grand Prix at Magny-Cours.
“Everyone makes mistakes,” the 55-year-old underlined, speaking to German news agency DPA, “and in Canada he paid the price.
“We support him fully and will continue to do so, but he doesn't require any motivation pills.”
Formula 1 » Ecclestone: Lewis Hamilton isn't best in F1.
Wednesday, 18th June 2008
Both former team-mate Fernando Alonso and new world championship leader Robert Kubica would do a better job than Lewis Hamilton in the same car, F1 ringmaster Bernie Ecclestone asserts.
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Bernie Ecclestone has added his voice to those claiming Lewis Hamilton has disappointed in the 2008 Formula 1 campaign to-date, suggesting that in his opinion, at least two of the young Briton's rivals would do a better job than him in the same car.
The McLaren-Mercedes ace has come under fire from a number of quarters this year, with ex team-mate Fernando Alonso recently joining in the criticism [see separate story – click here], claiming that Hamilton was lucky in 2007 – his maiden season in the top flight – to do as well as he did.
Ecclestone, indeed, said he sympathised with the Spaniard's plight, after the double world champion returned to Renault in 2008 following a troubled campaign alongside Hamilton at McLaren last year. The sport's ringmaster said that in his opinion, Alonso – now struggling behind the wheel of a significantly less competitive car than he has had for the past few seasons – remains the finest of the current grand prix crop.
"If he was still in a McLaren he would be showing Lewis the way home,” Ecclestone told The Times. “I don't think there is any doubt about that.
“I never asked the guy – I'm going to ask him one day – whether he was told [by McLaren] he was number one.
“If he didn't ask and he wasn't told, he would have assumed he was. Having a guy that's never been in a Formula 1 car in the team with him, he'd expect to be number one, wouldn't he?
“That's what the problem was. When he found out, although he should have been number one, of course he wasn't.”
The 77-year-old also had high words of praise for BMW-Sauber's emerging star Robert Kubica, who with his flawless breakthrough victory in the Canadian Grand Prix last time out – only his 29th race in the top flight – has sensationally assumed the world championship lead.
“If you saw him in a McLaren or a Ferrari, I think I'd put my money on him blowing away Hamilton,” Ecclestone added.
“The difference with Lewis is that last year he didn't have to prove himself, because he was the new kid on the block and he wasn't expected to finish a race. This year, people say he should have won the world championship last year, and therefore he's under pressure to make sure he does it this year.”
Hamilton, however, has received a vote of confidence from Mercedes-Benz Motorsport Vice-President Norbert Haug, who sprang to the 23-year-old's defence over his embarrassing exit in Montreal, when he crashed into the back of the Ferrari of chief title rival Kimi Raikkonen in the pit-lane, for which he has since received a ten-place grid penalty for the upcoming French Grand Prix at Magny-Cours.
“Everyone makes mistakes,” the 55-year-old underlined, speaking to German news agency DPA, “and in Canada he paid the price.
“We support him fully and will continue to do so, but he doesn't require any motivation pills.”
Bernie is in it for the money, nothing more nothing less. He will give lip service to whoever at the time will generate the most revenue for his back pocket. Early last year he was all for Lewis taking home the championship, however at the Spanish GP (when surrounded by new sponsors Santander) he suddenly changed his tune to wanting Alonso to win.
He's an awful little toad who'd rather have a GP in a new country where the attendance and fan base is non existent as opposed to keeping a GP with heritage and a huge following (providing the new country pays handsomely for the privilege of course).
He's an awful little toad who'd rather have a GP in a new country where the attendance and fan base is non existent as opposed to keeping a GP with heritage and a huge following (providing the new country pays handsomely for the privilege of course).
N444THE said:
Bernie is in it for the money, nothing more nothing less. He will give lip service to whoever at the time will generate the most revenue for his back pocket. Early last year he was all for Lewis taking home the championship, however at the Spanish GP (when surrounded by new sponsors Santander) he suddenly changed his tune to wanting Alonso to win.
He's an awful little toad who'd rather have a GP in a new country where the attendance and fan base is non existent as opposed to keeping a GP with heritage and a huge following (providing the new country pays handsomely for the privilege of course).
I wouldn't believe Eccs if he told me he was speaking.He's an awful little toad who'd rather have a GP in a new country where the attendance and fan base is non existent as opposed to keeping a GP with heritage and a huge following (providing the new country pays handsomely for the privilege of course).
MrKipling43 said:
Derek Smith said:
I wouldn't believe Eccs if he told me he was speaking.
Congratulations, you've just made it onto the quotes bit on my Facebook page, alongside Ayrton Senna, Albert Einstein and Archimedes.
Edited by MrKipling43 on Thursday 19th June 12:45
very impressive.Munter said:
I'd love to see the 3 of them in an equal car. Say give them each a A1GP car, 10 practise and setup laps of Brands and then let them set a fastest lap. And Finally do a 10 lap race starting 3 across to be as fair as possible. I'd even PAY to watch that.
LOL lewis would crash into one of them.dxb335d said:
Munter said:
I'd love to see the 3 of them in an equal car. Say give them each a A1GP car, 10 practise and setup laps of Brands and then let them set a fastest lap. And Finally do a 10 lap race starting 3 across to be as fair as possible. I'd even PAY to watch that.
LOL lewis would crash into one of them.
Derek Smith said:
MrKipling43 said:
Derek Smith said:
I wouldn't believe Eccs if he told me he was speaking.
Congratulations, you've just made it onto the quotes bit on my Facebook page, alongside Ayrton Senna, Albert Einstein and Archimedes.Kipling's Facebook page said:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
- CS Lewis
"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I do know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
- Albert Einstein
"There is a rhythm... something like a perfect melody. Not always... but in any case I am always looking for that melody. And when I have found it I drive in a different dimension. I sense and feel much more than I calculate. These very rare moments are marvelous."
- Ayrton Senna, Monaco 1989
"The only certainty for visitors is that however long you spend in England and however much you see, it still won't be enough to understand the place."
- Rough Guide on England
"Give me a place to stand and a lever long enough,and I will move the world."
- Archimedes, 220BC
"entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
"Aquila non captat muscas - Eagles do not chase flies"
"I wouldn't believe Bernie Ecclestone if he told me he was speaking"
- Derek Smith - fellow PHer
Edited by MrKipling43 on Thursday 19th June 17:17
Kipling's Facebook page said:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
- CS Lewis
"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I do know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
- Albert Einstein
"There is a rhythm... something like a perfect melody. Not always... but in any case I am always looking for that melody. And when I have found it I drive in a different dimension. I sense and feel much more than I calculate. These very rare moments are marvelous."
- Ayrton Senna, Monaco 1989
"The only certainty for visitors is that however long you spend in England and however much you see, it still won't be enough to understand the place."
- Rough Guide on England
"Give me a place to stand and a lever long enough,and I will move the world."
- Archimedes, 220BC
"entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
"Aquila non captat muscas - Eagles do not chase flies"
"I wouldn't believe Bernie Ecclestone if he told me he was speaking"
- Derek Smith - fellow PHer
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Munter said:
dxb335d said:
Munter said:
I'd love to see the 3 of them in an equal car. Say give them each a A1GP car, 10 practise and setup laps of Brands and then let them set a fastest lap. And Finally do a 10 lap race starting 3 across to be as fair as possible. I'd even PAY to watch that.
LOL lewis would crash into one of them.Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff