FIA scraps proposed '09 ban on tyre warmers
Discussion
kevin ritson said:
Real shame, I think that would have introduced a nice element to pit stops where a driver tries to stay ahead on cold tyres.
My feelings towards the safety concerns are the same for traction control in the wet. And didn't Monaco provide a spectacular race?
I don't know if we're better off with or without them. My problem was with the FIA's handling of the matter.My feelings towards the safety concerns are the same for traction control in the wet. And didn't Monaco provide a spectacular race?
First, the FIA claimed that the reason for the ban was cost, which was laughable. The teams spend 50x as much money on catering as they do on tyre warmers.
They never said that the reason was to mix up the racing. If that was the true reason, fine. However, mixing up the racing makes it more dangerous. Okay, no probs, but why then did they impose nonsense like V8 engines under the pretext of "safety"? If safety must be the over-riding priority, why compromise safety by banning tyre warmers?
It's a good decision to keep tyre warmers. There are too many unknowns with low temperatures in such delicately balanced F1 tyres (c.f. Senna at Imola).
They are dirt cheap compared to other stuff in F1, and the savings would be soon swallowed up with a more expensive workaround (people standing around the cars pointing hairdryers/laserguns at the tyres
).
They are dirt cheap compared to other stuff in F1, and the savings would be soon swallowed up with a more expensive workaround (people standing around the cars pointing hairdryers/laserguns at the tyres
).
pablo said:
if the FIA came out and said it was to mix up the racing they would be admitting that it was in need of mixing up because their stupid rules had created 17 dull races each year
I think this year's a cracker, only spoilt by the penalties handed out to the top drivers, meaning we don't get to see them racing each other as much as we could do.heebeegeetee said:
pablo said:
if the FIA came out and said it was to mix up the racing they would be admitting that it was in need of mixing up because their stupid rules had created 17 dull races each year
I think this year's a cracker, only spoilt by the penalties handed out to the top drivers, meaning we don't get to see them racing each other as much as we could do.entropy said:
A question for the people in the know which the average enthusiast doesn't quite understand:
Why is it that Champcars gets away with running cold tyres and whereas F1 comes across as cry babies?
Champcars (now IndyCars) have wider range of tolerances? Their compounds are probably different too.Why is it that Champcars gets away with running cold tyres and whereas F1 comes across as cry babies?
stephen300o said:
Can't blame the rules, the "top drivers" should stop F****** up. Still a good season though.
If the very best drivers in the world are having trouble conforming to the rules, are you saying that they should drive better, or that we should find even better drivers for the championship? Are you suggesting that there can be nothing wrong with the rules? Don't forget that the guys who are handing out the penalties have never raced themselves, yet they are telling the best drivers that they are doing wrong. This possibly explains why we have situations like Alonso being penalised for holding up Massa in qually that couple of years ago, when he did no such thing, and likewise with Kovies penalty this year, and Rosbergs, and their inability to understand that Kimi wasn't racing although on track, whereas Hamiltons accident was very much a racing incident - after all, the lead of the race had changed twice in as many seconds in that pit lane.We either continue to f
k the racing up or we accept its time for an injection of common sense. I know which I prefer.heebeegeetee said:
stephen300o said:
Can't blame the rules, the "top drivers" should stop F****** up. Still a good season though.
If the very best drivers in the world are having trouble conforming to the rules, are you saying that they should drive better, or that we should find even better drivers for the championship? Are you suggesting that there can be nothing wrong with the rules? Don't forget that the guys who are handing out the penalties have never raced themselves, yet they are telling the best drivers that they are doing wrong. This possibly explains why we have situations like Alonso being penalised for holding up Massa in qually that couple of years ago, when he did no such thing, and likewise with Kovies penalty this year, and Rosbergs, and their inability to understand that Kimi wasn't racing although on track, whereas Hamiltons accident was very much a racing incident - after all, the lead of the race had changed twice in as many seconds in that pit lane.We either continue to f
k the racing up or we accept its time for an injection of common sense. I know which I prefer.We have had red lights at the end of the pit lane for years without much trouble, it wasn't as if Hamilton had no warning, the pit told him, he saw the red light and on top of that not one but two cars stopped at the pit exit. I'm sure that Hamilton now knows that red means stop, same for Nico.
The penalties in qualifying are due to years of the drivers whining about traffic and how they were held up, this is a case of be careful what you wish for.
staying on the grid for too wrong is a binary condition: it is easy to assess. Assessing on-track incidents between drivers is rarely a case of black/white decisions.
furthermore, the time limit for personnel on the grid is there for a very good reason: safety. People have been hurt (very) badly on the grid in the past.
furthermore, the time limit for personnel on the grid is there for a very good reason: safety. People have been hurt (very) badly on the grid in the past.
DangerousMike said:
staying on the grid for too wrong is a binary condition: it is easy to assess. Assessing on-track incidents between drivers is rarely a case of black/white decisions.
furthermore, the time limit for personnel on the grid is there for a very good reason: safety. People have been hurt (very) badly on the grid in the past.
Binary like red/green, stop/go.furthermore, the time limit for personnel on the grid is there for a very good reason: safety. People have been hurt (very) badly on the grid in the past.
Jungles said:
entropy said:
A question for the people in the know which the average enthusiast doesn't quite understand:
Why is it that Champcars gets away with running cold tyres and whereas F1 comes across as cry babies?
Champcars (now IndyCars) have wider range of tolerances? Their compounds are probably different too.Why is it that Champcars gets away with running cold tyres and whereas F1 comes across as cry babies?
The F1 engineers are a resourceful lot. Had they banned tyre warmers, they probably would have sued somehting like a large oven to warm them before putting them on the car- a bit unweildly, but some heat would be better then no heat. maybe the "oven" wuld have been for catering, but the tyres were placed next to it ... (or somesuch)...
DangerousMike said:
note that i said "on track incidents" the post you previously quoted to make your point was discussing drivers receiving penalties for supposedly holding people up during qualy.
Very grey area, because the cars are so aerodynamically unstable it doesn't need a car that close to claim you've been held up, they should go back to just observing a blue flag in reasonable time, any other inconvinience is tough luck, anyway I don't think Heikki should have got a penalty as it didn't effect anyones grid position(but then it was only a Mclaren).Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff