Phase One announce 60Mp digital back

[S. Gonzales Esq.]

News of the way that high-end equipment is going on Luminous Landscape here.

A 360Mb 16-bit file might be a bit unwieldy, but imagine the size of the prints you could make.

Choice nugget of information:

article said:

The medium format digital back market is small, probably less than 6,000 units a year world-wide. Canon makes more DSLRs than this each day.

Looks like it'll be around £24,000 inc VAT

[Simpo Two]

That's not a digital back, it's a telly! It looks uncannily like the back of my old Sony.



Hmm, I wonder...

Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 14th July 16:42

[Andy M]

Simpo Two said:

That's not a digital back, it's a telly! It looks uncannily like the back of my old Sony.



Hmm, I wonder...

If you saw how crap the screens really are, you wouldn't say that...

The screens on many of the d-SLRs are infinitely better than many of the digital MF backs.

[le gravy noire]

Thats crazy. Is it full frame?

I've just had a CFV back on loan from hasseblad and it's a complete piece of st. The crop turned my wide angle into a telephoto and compared to a drum scan of one of my MF velvia slides the image just looked horrid. Pffft. I guess If I want to carry on shooting MF and LF it' still chemicals for my price bracket. I still prefer the process of shooting film anyways, but I was really disappointed!

[RobDickinson]

At 360mb a file your going to be shooting tethered!!

Wonder how long that takes to transfer, HB 50mp is what 1.4 secs per transfer and thats 14 bit? Much smaller file size anyhow.

[Focused]

I shoot with a P45 and the quality is amazing. Normally I crop the image to about a 30Mb Tiff file as that is ample for most stuff I do. The 60MP back should be stunning but the uses will be limited for general work and as the P45 is £20k the P60 will be a lot more here in the UK

I find the lenses aren't good enough to get the best from the P45 too

Edited cause I just noticed you said 360Mb not Mpixels

Edited by Focused on Monday 14th July 22:20

[S. Gonzales Esq.]

le gravy noire said:

Thats crazy. Is it full frame?

Very nearly - it's almost exactly the same as a 645 frame.

Focused said:

I find the lenses aren't good enough to get the best from the P45 too

Do you mind me asking what lenses you're using? I'm considering changing my P20 for a P45, and that's one of the issues I'm worried about.

[Focused]

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

Focused said:

I find the lenses aren't good enough to get the best from the P45 too

Do you mind me asking what lenses you're using? I'm considering changing my P20 for a P45, and that's one of the issues I'm worried about.

Sorry for the late reply.

I use Schneider and Rodenstock. Its mostly noticeable with the wide-angle lenses, 55mm or 35mm on the 5x4. The quality is better with the Hasselblad as its nearer full frame. The P45 has a CF slot, not sure if the P20 has that? Maybe the loss of quality with the 5x4 is that you have to get the sensor dead centre to the lens, any deviation from that point could cause the quality loss. If you're using medium format, you should be fine. maybe try a back on loan.

[le gravy noire]

Focused said:

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

Focused said:

I find the lenses aren't good enough to get the best from the P45 too

Do you mind me asking what lenses you're using? I'm considering changing my P20 for a P45, and that's one of the issues I'm worried about.

Sorry for the late reply.

I use Schneider and Rodenstock. Its mostly noticeable with the wide-angle lenses, 55mm or 35mm on the 5x4. The quality is better with the Hasselblad as its nearer full frame. The P45 has a CF slot, not sure if the P20 has that? Maybe the loss of quality with the 5x4 is that you have to get the sensor dead centre to the lens, any deviation from that point could cause the quality loss. If you're using medium format, you should be fine. maybe try a back on loan.

Just had a quick peek at your site...I love the publications stuff! Great colours...

[Focused]

le gravy noire said:

Focused said:

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

Focused said:

I find the lenses aren't good enough to get the best from the P45 too

Do you mind me asking what lenses you're using? I'm considering changing my P20 for a P45, and that's one of the issues I'm worried about.

Sorry for the late reply.

I use Schneider and Rodenstock. Its mostly noticeable with the wide-angle lenses, 55mm or 35mm on the 5x4. The quality is better with the Hasselblad as its nearer full frame. The P45 has a CF slot, not sure if the P20 has that? Maybe the loss of quality with the 5x4 is that you have to get the sensor dead centre to the lens, any deviation from that point could cause the quality loss. If you're using medium format, you should be fine. maybe try a back on loan.

Just had a quick peek at your site...I love the publications stuff! Great colours...

Thanks Matt






I thought I'd do a shot with the P45 and show the quality with a 750 pixel crop. Taken straight from 112Mb 300dpi raw via Caputure One........


Original full frame




crop




The new P65 should be amazing

[Simpo Two]

A telephoto lens would have been a lot cheaper

[le gravy noire]

Focused said:

le gravy noire said:

Focused said:

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

Focused said:

I find the lenses aren't good enough to get the best from the P45 too

Do you mind me asking what lenses you're using? I'm considering changing my P20 for a P45, and that's one of the issues I'm worried about.

Sorry for the late reply.

I use Schneider and Rodenstock. Its mostly noticeable with the wide-angle lenses, 55mm or 35mm on the 5x4. The quality is better with the Hasselblad as its nearer full frame. The P45 has a CF slot, not sure if the P20 has that? Maybe the loss of quality with the 5x4 is that you have to get the sensor dead centre to the lens, any deviation from that point could cause the quality loss. If you're using medium format, you should be fine. maybe try a back on loan.

Just had a quick peek at your site...I love the publications stuff! Great colours...

Thanks Matt






I thought I'd do a shot with the P45 and show the quality with a 750 pixel crop. Taken straight from 112Mb 300dpi raw via Caputure One........


Original full frame




crop




The new P65 should be amazing

Thanks crazy...I'm amazed! I've finally got round to sorting out my 617 LF camera this month...I needed to get a few bits and bobs (more lee filter holders : ( ) to get it all up and running and I've shot a couple of test rolls which I've had scanned on the imacon at work. Will be interesting to see how that compares. I'll post it up when they get back... I've also just got a 1.5 metre long print done from an xpan slide which looks absolutely fantastic. You must be able to wallpaper the house with the shots from that phase back!

Matt