New Saggy features.....
Discussion
Thanks to Varley for laying down the bare bones of what was said in the shed.
What I think would be quite interesting would be a post from TVR owners and fans in which you would very simply list the additional features that you would personally like to see on the car, or any that you would like changed and more importantly, what would be the maximum you would pay for such a car.
I realise that this could turn into a TVR s
gging Contest the moment someone puts down 'Chevy V8' etc but if we could all just refrain from that and for once and for all, just simply put down what we personally would like, recognise that all our opinions are going to differ and not come back to challenge or argue over any of the more provocotive remarks.
VARLEYHYD said:
Sagaris 2
Here we go:
Information provided to me at the Sagaris 2 preview on 10th July 2008
Many of the 1st Sagaris 2 previous features have been retained:
• One piece bonnet
• Rear face exhausts
• Slim line rear diffuser- improving aero and servicing access
• 19” wheel option
• Sparco adjustable seats
• Re engineered Ricardo Engine
But new to the Sagaris 2
• Climate control with cabin temperature control system
• Major Dash revisions, include Entertainment and technology Information screen with Ipod connection and Sat Nav. Improved rake of dash for effective demisting and easy window cleaning
• re engineered bonnet hinge system
• Square base momo style steering wheel
• Improved cabin sound/heat insulation materials
• Windscreen ‘A’ post finishers for reduced wind noise and improved rain deflection
• High specification carpets and upholstery
Technical-
• Revised and strengthened roll cage, designed especially for the Sagaris 2 giving more cabin room
• Improved differential with better power transmission to the wheels
• Improved clutch durability.
• Ceramic coated exhaust manifolds for optimum heat dissipation and improved performance.
• Revised suspension settings for improved all round handling
• Sculptured pedals as seen on the 1st Sagaris 2, but with revised pedal box and kick plate for enhanced comfort.
Also to come
• Trackday Lap timing and video bullet cam and playback facilities.
• New rear high level aero spolier Sagaris slash styled,with brake light
• Load cover revisions to include a deeper unit with storage access from the cabin and greater covered load capacity.
After the event the prototype car was to be taken to Austria for heat testing and European approval during the next few months.
D Oxley was looking towards producing a realistic 500 units a year.
James Oxley advised that no information could be released on the drive train just yet, but expect to in the next couple of months, he advised progress was being made with the manufacturers and supplier network, and were digitalising the drawings and records to enable them to work more closely with partners in the UK and overseas.
I enquired about future emissions issues. He is mindful of these, which will be addressed prior to the legislation enforcement.
The above is what was advised to me on 10thJuly, no more, no less!
Hope this helps
G
What I think would be quite interesting would be a post from TVR owners and fans in which you would very simply list the additional features that you would personally like to see on the car, or any that you would like changed and more importantly, what would be the maximum you would pay for such a car.
I realise that this could turn into a TVR s
gging Contest the moment someone puts down 'Chevy V8' etc but if we could all just refrain from that and for once and for all, just simply put down what we personally would like, recognise that all our opinions are going to differ and not come back to challenge or argue over any of the more provocotive remarks.VARLEYHYD said:
Sagaris 2
Here we go:
Information provided to me at the Sagaris 2 preview on 10th July 2008
Many of the 1st Sagaris 2 previous features have been retained:
• One piece bonnet
• Rear face exhausts
• Slim line rear diffuser- improving aero and servicing access
• 19” wheel option
• Sparco adjustable seats
• Re engineered Ricardo Engine
But new to the Sagaris 2
• Climate control with cabin temperature control system
• Major Dash revisions, include Entertainment and technology Information screen with Ipod connection and Sat Nav. Improved rake of dash for effective demisting and easy window cleaning
• re engineered bonnet hinge system
• Square base momo style steering wheel
• Improved cabin sound/heat insulation materials
• Windscreen ‘A’ post finishers for reduced wind noise and improved rain deflection
• High specification carpets and upholstery
Technical-
• Revised and strengthened roll cage, designed especially for the Sagaris 2 giving more cabin room
• Improved differential with better power transmission to the wheels
• Improved clutch durability.
• Ceramic coated exhaust manifolds for optimum heat dissipation and improved performance.
• Revised suspension settings for improved all round handling
• Sculptured pedals as seen on the 1st Sagaris 2, but with revised pedal box and kick plate for enhanced comfort.
Also to come
• Trackday Lap timing and video bullet cam and playback facilities.
• New rear high level aero spolier Sagaris slash styled,with brake light
• Load cover revisions to include a deeper unit with storage access from the cabin and greater covered load capacity.
After the event the prototype car was to be taken to Austria for heat testing and European approval during the next few months.
D Oxley was looking towards producing a realistic 500 units a year.
James Oxley advised that no information could be released on the drive train just yet, but expect to in the next couple of months, he advised progress was being made with the manufacturers and supplier network, and were digitalising the drawings and records to enable them to work more closely with partners in the UK and overseas.
I enquired about future emissions issues. He is mindful of these, which will be addressed prior to the legislation enforcement.
The above is what was advised to me on 10thJuly, no more, no less!
Hope this helps
G
Right:
I'm very happy with the S6 if it is properly sorted. I love it.
I would change the square wheel, I suspect.
I really don't like the gaps in the wings, too showy for me and they don't do anything.
What I would like to add:
Choice of engines, a little 2L for a much cheaper entry and running costs.
Sequential box.
As for price. I'd say that I'd pay up to £60K.
I'm very happy with the S6 if it is properly sorted. I love it.
I would change the square wheel, I suspect.
I really don't like the gaps in the wings, too showy for me and they don't do anything.
What I would like to add:
Choice of engines, a little 2L for a much cheaper entry and running costs.
Sequential box.
As for price. I'd say that I'd pay up to £60K.
Targa Roof and choice of steering wheels.
What would be good but definitely won't happen is adjustable ride height from the cabin. When you pay £60k plus for a car, I'd want to be able to use it without sweating everytime it hits the tarmac and speed humps. The bulk and weight of such kit would detract it from being the sports car it is though, making it more of a GT
What would be good but definitely won't happen is adjustable ride height from the cabin. When you pay £60k plus for a car, I'd want to be able to use it without sweating everytime it hits the tarmac and speed humps. The bulk and weight of such kit would detract it from being the sports car it is though, making it more of a GT
JR said:
Horse_Apple said:
Choice of engines, a little 2L for a much cheaper entry
Good in theory but how would it be cheaper? Why would you think that the 3.6 is cheaper to build than the 4.0?However, the real reason for the thought is that it should be vastly cheaper to insure and run and allow people to get into the marque at an earlier stage achieving 2 things, firstly buld up a strong internal demand for the full blown product and secondly increase the number of units sold to assist in economies of scale.
It may even open up other markets where the cost of getting the S6 approved would be too large, but I don't know enough about that to know it if that is relevant.
Horse_Apple said:
I'm assuming that a basic 2l from a known supplier like Ford or Toyota etc would be generally cheaper, although I guess many of the associated development costs of the S6 have probably been written off in the old company.
However, the real reason for the thought is that it should be vastly cheaper to insure and run and allow people to get into the marque at an earlier stage achieving 2 things, firstly buld up a strong internal demand for the full blown product and secondly increase the number of units sold to assist in economies of scale.
It would be a very unwise move to do at this stage thouh as it would tremendously undermine the brand values and perception of TVR (2l four cylinder Saggy would be in the dictionaries as the first entry under 'mouth, trousers' surely) - and for better or worse these are the only true assets TVR has in its current state.However, the real reason for the thought is that it should be vastly cheaper to insure and run and allow people to get into the marque at an earlier stage achieving 2 things, firstly buld up a strong internal demand for the full blown product and secondly increase the number of units sold to assist in economies of scale.
900T-R said:
Horse_Apple said:
I'm assuming that a basic 2l from a known supplier like Ford or Toyota etc would be generally cheaper, although I guess many of the associated development costs of the S6 have probably been written off in the old company.
However, the real reason for the thought is that it should be vastly cheaper to insure and run and allow people to get into the marque at an earlier stage achieving 2 things, firstly buld up a strong internal demand for the full blown product and secondly increase the number of units sold to assist in economies of scale.
It would be a very unwise move to do at this stage However, the real reason for the thought is that it should be vastly cheaper to insure and run and allow people to get into the marque at an earlier stage achieving 2 things, firstly buld up a strong internal demand for the full blown product and secondly increase the number of units sold to assist in economies of scale.
JR said:
900T-R said:
Horse_Apple said:
I'm assuming that a basic 2l from a known supplier like Ford or Toyota etc would be generally cheaper, although I guess many of the associated development costs of the S6 have probably been written off in the old company.
However, the real reason for the thought is that it should be vastly cheaper to insure and run and allow people to get into the marque at an earlier stage achieving 2 things, firstly buld up a strong internal demand for the full blown product and secondly increase the number of units sold to assist in economies of scale.
It would be a very unwise move to do at this stage However, the real reason for the thought is that it should be vastly cheaper to insure and run and allow people to get into the marque at an earlier stage achieving 2 things, firstly buld up a strong internal demand for the full blown product and secondly increase the number of units sold to assist in economies of scale.
Back then, the cars were bought by real enthusiastic, beer drinking, medallion men and all they wanted was the biggest engine. And quite right too. No one in the younger end of the market had anywhere near enough money to buy anything much.
I think it would be valid to say that in modern Britain and the fact that the brand is so much more well known that there would be a large market for younger people to buy a smaller engined, stripped down version. There is a lot more money in the hands of the sub 30s than ever before and getting those people into a marque like TVR as early as possible would be a good thing.
I suspect you would only need a very small take up for it to have huge positive impacts on the economies of scale.
Horse_Apple said:
All very valid, but the world is slightly different now.
Back then, the cars were bought by real enthusiastic, beer drinking, medallion men and all they wanted was the biggest engine. And quite right too. No one in the younger end of the market had anywhere near enough money to buy anything much.
I think it would be valid to say that in modern Britain and the fact that the brand is so much more well known that there would be a large market for younger people to buy a smaller engined, stripped down version. There is a lot more money in the hands of the sub 30s than ever before and getting those people into a marque like TVR as early as possible would be a good thing.
I suspect you would only need a very small take up for it to have huge positive impacts on the economies of scale.
We'll have to agree to differ. Is the still born 3.5l Tuscan road car (1989?) the kind of thing that is in your mind? I hope that your view prevails since it would brighten up the world a little.Back then, the cars were bought by real enthusiastic, beer drinking, medallion men and all they wanted was the biggest engine. And quite right too. No one in the younger end of the market had anywhere near enough money to buy anything much.
I think it would be valid to say that in modern Britain and the fact that the brand is so much more well known that there would be a large market for younger people to buy a smaller engined, stripped down version. There is a lot more money in the hands of the sub 30s than ever before and getting those people into a marque like TVR as early as possible would be a good thing.
I suspect you would only need a very small take up for it to have huge positive impacts on the economies of scale.
JR said:
Horse_Apple said:
All very valid, but the world is slightly different now.
Back then, the cars were bought by real enthusiastic, beer drinking, medallion men and all they wanted was the biggest engine. And quite right too. No one in the younger end of the market had anywhere near enough money to buy anything much.
I think it would be valid to say that in modern Britain and the fact that the brand is so much more well known that there would be a large market for younger people to buy a smaller engined, stripped down version. There is a lot more money in the hands of the sub 30s than ever before and getting those people into a marque like TVR as early as possible would be a good thing.
I suspect you would only need a very small take up for it to have huge positive impacts on the economies of scale.
We'll have to agree to differ. Is the still born 3.5l Tuscan road car (1989?) the kind of thing that is in your mind? I hope that your view prevails since it would brighten up the world a little.Back then, the cars were bought by real enthusiastic, beer drinking, medallion men and all they wanted was the biggest engine. And quite right too. No one in the younger end of the market had anywhere near enough money to buy anything much.
I think it would be valid to say that in modern Britain and the fact that the brand is so much more well known that there would be a large market for younger people to buy a smaller engined, stripped down version. There is a lot more money in the hands of the sub 30s than ever before and getting those people into a marque like TVR as early as possible would be a good thing.
I suspect you would only need a very small take up for it to have huge positive impacts on the economies of scale.
There is definately a great love of these cars from a group of people who may be able to build up the money to buy one but the costs of insurance etc are just way too much. Catering for the next generation is very sensible.
Smaller engine, cheaper brakes, much more simplified dash, no leather trim, thinner carpets, only one interior colour and a very few paint options and a race series.
You could then have a series of mods for the engine which could be added.
And obviously the full blown Sag in all its glory to look forward to.
What features would I like to see on a new TVR and how much would I pay?
Put a simple but stunning open topped body on the Sag chassis for about £45k and I'd have one for sure. (something like the Tamora but with a nicer bum).
I just couldn't live with the Sag's fussy psuedo race car looks (fake vents, helmet roof lump, perspex spoiler etc.)
Put a simple but stunning open topped body on the Sag chassis for about £45k and I'd have one for sure. (something like the Tamora but with a nicer bum).
I just couldn't live with the Sag's fussy psuedo race car looks (fake vents, helmet roof lump, perspex spoiler etc.)
swanny71 said:
What features would I like to see on a new TVR and how much would I pay?
Put a simple but stunning open topped body on the Sag chassis for about £45k and I'd have one for sure. (something like the Tamora but with a nicer bum).
I just couldn't live with the Sag's fussy psuedo race car looks (fake vents, helmet roof lump, perspex spoiler etc.)
Well, eventually I reckon TVR needs two cars - the hardcore 'sports/track car' Sag and a more conventionally beautiful 2 seat droptop sports car in the Griffith/Chimaera/Tamora/Tuscan Convertible mould - covering the 2 most prevalent types of car in TVRs history (IMO the T350/Sag uncannily looks like a 21st century version of the Grantura/Griffith/Tuscan/M-series body). And should they feel flush at any time, a 2+2 Cerbera successor would be a logical complement. Put a simple but stunning open topped body on the Sag chassis for about £45k and I'd have one for sure. (something like the Tamora but with a nicer bum).
I just couldn't live with the Sag's fussy psuedo race car looks (fake vents, helmet roof lump, perspex spoiler etc.)
Given the current 'Ground Zero' state of things, though, I'd say starting with just the one car (hopefully over time developing it into the car it always should have been) is a spot on decision.
900T-R said:
swanny71 said:
What features would I like to see on a new TVR and how much would I pay?
Put a simple but stunning open topped body on the Sag chassis for about £45k and I'd have one for sure. (something like the Tamora but with a nicer bum).
I just couldn't live with the Sag's fussy psuedo race car looks (fake vents, helmet roof lump, perspex spoiler etc.)
Well, eventually I reckon TVR needs two cars - the hardcore 'sports/track car' Sag and a more conventionally beautiful 2 seat droptop sports car in the Griffith/Chimaera/Tamora/Tuscan Convertible mould - covering the 2 most prevalent types of car in TVRs history (IMO the T350/Sag uncannily looks like a 21st century version of the Grantura/Griffith/Tuscan/M-series body). And should they feel flush at any time, a 2+2 Cerbera successor would be a logical complement. Put a simple but stunning open topped body on the Sag chassis for about £45k and I'd have one for sure. (something like the Tamora but with a nicer bum).
I just couldn't live with the Sag's fussy psuedo race car looks (fake vents, helmet roof lump, perspex spoiler etc.)
Given the current 'Ground Zero' state of things, though, I'd say starting with just the one car (hopefully over time developing it into the car it always should have been) is a spot on decision.
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