New road signs - meaning
Discussion
Some of you will know that over the last few months my local area has been undergoing a total change with the addition of new cycle lanes, reduced road lanes, etc etc (Infact in some places we have TWO cycle lanes on both sides of the road, the old and the new one - side by side!).
My road leads out on to a busy main road. It used to be difficult to get out of due to the amount of traffic. It used to have two lanes for exiting (ie: one for those turning left, one for those turning right), but this has now been narrowed to allow only one lane for exiting - making getting out even harder.
The new cycle lane has now been painted green and goes straight across this road. Just before this lane has been painted a white, double dashed line. This is now 1 1/2 car lengths before the end of the road.
Am I now supposed to wait behind this line, or can I go over it if no cycles are coming? Waiting behind will make it almost impossible to get out into the main road - and I suspect no-one will bother - but I wanted to know the 'correct' method? I can take a photo or two if that'll help.
I cannot find similar in the Highway code. The nearest shows a Cycle 'area' rather than a lane simply crossing the road, and show an unbroken line rather than dashed.
Cheers.
My road leads out on to a busy main road. It used to be difficult to get out of due to the amount of traffic. It used to have two lanes for exiting (ie: one for those turning left, one for those turning right), but this has now been narrowed to allow only one lane for exiting - making getting out even harder.
The new cycle lane has now been painted green and goes straight across this road. Just before this lane has been painted a white, double dashed line. This is now 1 1/2 car lengths before the end of the road.
Am I now supposed to wait behind this line, or can I go over it if no cycles are coming? Waiting behind will make it almost impossible to get out into the main road - and I suspect no-one will bother - but I wanted to know the 'correct' method? I can take a photo or two if that'll help.
I cannot find similar in the Highway code. The nearest shows a Cycle 'area' rather than a lane simply crossing the road, and show an unbroken line rather than dashed.
Cheers.
I am currently 'corresponding' with Newport Council over new signs they have 'created' which are not legit... and as far as Cardiff is concerned, these bicycle 'boxes' are at every major junction, but have solid lines at their boarders so cars can't enter them unless moving out of the junction.
Right, I've finally got fed up will all the anti-car building work going on in my local area. (See here) so I've:
+ written to my local residents association
+ written to both local papers
+ written to my local council
+ written to my member of parliament
That lot should get me noticed
(Edited because Windows doesn't have a global spellchecker like the Mac - for some reason)
>> Edited by page3 on Friday 5th September 15:40
+ written to my local residents association
+ written to both local papers
+ written to my local council
+ written to my member of parliament
That lot should get me noticed
(Edited because Windows doesn't have a global spellchecker like the Mac - for some reason)
>> Edited by page3 on Friday 5th September 15:40
I live in the same area as you and, similarly concerned about the rash of road 'improvements' being foisted on us, e-mailed the following to the Gazette last week:
'Dear Sir,
Ickenham Cycle Lanes – Hidden Danger?
The colourful Ickenham cycle lane saga continues to raise questions (your report 3rd September).
Can anyone explain the need for the duplicate 'green' lanes from Almond Avenue past the Shell station to Swakeleys Road, shown in your Page 3 picture? Who is going to use the 'unsafe' lane in the road when there is a 'safe' alternative available on the inside of the pavement? Are they both really necessary?
More seriously, installation of the northbound cycle lane at West Ruislip station has seemingly required the permanent removal of the dedicated right-turn filter lane into the station car park. This has seriously compromised the safety of motorists using the station, who now have to wait to turn in the only though-traffic lane, just over the blind brow of the bridge.
Presumably it was not the intention of those responsible for the cycle lane to deliberately create an accident black spot, but it appears that insufficient consideration has been given to the dangerous consequences of a scheme which potentially allows moving traffic, unsighted by the bridge, to run into the back of a line of stationary vehicles waiting to turn right.
It would be tragic if it takes a major accident to, quite literally, ram this danger home.'
And what's the meaning of the brown road surface at the Coach and Horses zebra crossing? If it's meant to be an advance warning, why's it only been laid on one side of the crossing?
Unfortunately this sort of foolishness makes you think the council's got more money than it sensibly knows what to do with...
'Dear Sir,
Ickenham Cycle Lanes – Hidden Danger?
The colourful Ickenham cycle lane saga continues to raise questions (your report 3rd September).
Can anyone explain the need for the duplicate 'green' lanes from Almond Avenue past the Shell station to Swakeleys Road, shown in your Page 3 picture? Who is going to use the 'unsafe' lane in the road when there is a 'safe' alternative available on the inside of the pavement? Are they both really necessary?
More seriously, installation of the northbound cycle lane at West Ruislip station has seemingly required the permanent removal of the dedicated right-turn filter lane into the station car park. This has seriously compromised the safety of motorists using the station, who now have to wait to turn in the only though-traffic lane, just over the blind brow of the bridge.
Presumably it was not the intention of those responsible for the cycle lane to deliberately create an accident black spot, but it appears that insufficient consideration has been given to the dangerous consequences of a scheme which potentially allows moving traffic, unsighted by the bridge, to run into the back of a line of stationary vehicles waiting to turn right.
It would be tragic if it takes a major accident to, quite literally, ram this danger home.'
And what's the meaning of the brown road surface at the Coach and Horses zebra crossing? If it's meant to be an advance warning, why's it only been laid on one side of the crossing?
Unfortunately this sort of foolishness makes you think the council's got more money than it sensibly knows what to do with...
Right then.(girds loins and then comes back without washing hands)
If you are emerging from a minor road the onus is on you to 'give way' to the major road.
This implies that you do it safely - full visibility is therefore required.
Therefore you must sit in the green area to get the visibility. The clever buggers seem to have taken this on board by making the green area 1&1/2 car lengths long; the extra 1/2 is for cyclists to go behind you
safely.
The next car SHOULD wait outside the green area awaiting your exit. Excuse me one moment(
who are they kidding).
If you are emerging from a minor road the onus is on you to 'give way' to the major road.
This implies that you do it safely - full visibility is therefore required.
Therefore you must sit in the green area to get the visibility. The clever buggers seem to have taken this on board by making the green area 1&1/2 car lengths long; the extra 1/2 is for cyclists to go behind you
safely.
The next car SHOULD wait outside the green area awaiting your exit. Excuse me one moment(
who are they kidding).
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