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Casey, I hate to say it but at this particular moment I'm actually quite ashamed.
Not by your performance on track, which was a display of excellence, but I knew you would comment on one particular incident in the race and was praying you wouldn't but you did, in the post-race interview. Yes, the move was questionable, and indeed an echo of a move Elias put on Rossi in the 2006 season which Rossi himself classified as dangerous but you have to take the time to consider what you're saying and when you're saying it. Had you taken more time to think about it and been more diplomatic (well, having any diplomacy at all about it), it would've done a world of good. It was a long, hard, exciting race and an excellent display of riding from both you and Valentino but as I write this now, it is not with the usual feeling of pride I get when writing about races, regardless of where you finished, it's with a sense of shame.
Over the next couple of days you're going to get an absolute battering from the press and media as well as the hordes of fans on forums, and where usually I would be able to step-up and apply reasonable defence, I really can't do it this time.
In one fell swoop you've destroyed the pride of a dedicated, enthusiastic fan and left me feeling ashamed and embarrassed.
Not by your performance on track, which was a display of excellence, but I knew you would comment on one particular incident in the race and was praying you wouldn't but you did, in the post-race interview. Yes, the move was questionable, and indeed an echo of a move Elias put on Rossi in the 2006 season which Rossi himself classified as dangerous but you have to take the time to consider what you're saying and when you're saying it. Had you taken more time to think about it and been more diplomatic (well, having any diplomacy at all about it), it would've done a world of good. It was a long, hard, exciting race and an excellent display of riding from both you and Valentino but as I write this now, it is not with the usual feeling of pride I get when writing about races, regardless of where you finished, it's with a sense of shame.
Over the next couple of days you're going to get an absolute battering from the press and media as well as the hordes of fans on forums, and where usually I would be able to step-up and apply reasonable defence, I really can't do it this time.
In one fell swoop you've destroyed the pride of a dedicated, enthusiastic fan and left me feeling ashamed and embarrassed.
Stoner was well out of order in my IMHO he was taken on from the start and coudn't hack it, every overtaking move was done by overriding and covered by Rossi,if he raced in WSB or BSB he would see that the overtakes were fair and on, what does he expect? As i have said before he is another Lewis Hamilton.. fine when winning but never at fault when not!
Blimey Rawwr - are you not taking this a bit seriously? The guy was clearly severly disappointed at the end of a close fought battle at the end of which he made a simple mistake. Whatever he said was in the heat of the California sunshine at the end of a very intense race, knackered and full of personal disappointment no doubt. Quite understandable he might make a few rash comments. Give the guy a break!
That said, his riding was a different matter...
I'm no expert on Moto GP, but the way it looked to me Stoner was clearly out-performed by the far smoother Rossi. The Duke seems to be all about power - where would it be without traction control? For me it was good to see a more skillful rider hold his position. Fantastic battle and I was glad to see the best man win.
That said, his riding was a different matter...
I'm no expert on Moto GP, but the way it looked to me Stoner was clearly out-performed by the far smoother Rossi. The Duke seems to be all about power - where would it be without traction control? For me it was good to see a more skillful rider hold his position. Fantastic battle and I was glad to see the best man win.
surfsofa said:
I'm no expert on Moto GP, but the way it looked to me Stoner was clearly out-performed by the far smoother Rossi. The Duke seems to be all about power - where would it be without traction control? For me it was good to see a more skillful rider hold his position. Fantastic battle and I was glad to see the best man win.
Quoted For Truth.That was Rossi at his best, he knew Stoner was going to run away with it is he didn't give him something to think about.
Hard but fair, i think that sums it up.
I'm wondering if Stoner is going to do a Gibernau, Seems to me there is a pattern forming here.
Rossi gets a rival who is as fast as him, VR gives him a bit of the elbows and hard passes, rival self esteem and confidence crumbles, Rossi goes on to win....etc etc.
Hard but fair, i think that sums it up.
I'm wondering if Stoner is going to do a Gibernau, Seems to me there is a pattern forming here.
Rossi gets a rival who is as fast as him, VR gives him a bit of the elbows and hard passes, rival self esteem and confidence crumbles, Rossi goes on to win....etc etc.
Oh come on the lad is only 22 y/o FFS - how mature we're you lot at that age?. I think he acquitted himself very very well, as he proved that he can race for the lead in a fairing bashing contest. It takes amazing skill and courage to overtake around the outside on the s/f "straight".
On the podium, once he'd calmed down, he was chatting with VR and shook his hand.
I prefer VR as a rider and as an entertainer, but I just can't understand why there is so much CS bashing in this country. He's a nice bloke (met him at the Northallerton bash in his rookie season), he a bloody good rider, and he can play tunes on that Ducati that no one else can. His only crime is that he's not the most enigmatic of riders - so what.
On the podium, once he'd calmed down, he was chatting with VR and shook his hand.
I prefer VR as a rider and as an entertainer, but I just can't understand why there is so much CS bashing in this country. He's a nice bloke (met him at the Northallerton bash in his rookie season), he a bloody good rider, and he can play tunes on that Ducati that no one else can. His only crime is that he's not the most enigmatic of riders - so what.
Rawwr said:
Casey, I hate to say it but at this particular moment I'm actually quite ashamed.
Not by your performance on track, which was a display of excellence, but I knew you would comment on one particular incident in the race and was praying you wouldn't but you did, in the post-race interview. Yes, the move was questionable, and indeed an echo of a move Elias put on Rossi in the 2006 season which Rossi himself classified as dangerous but you have to take the time to consider what you're saying and when you're saying it. Had you taken more time to think about it and been more diplomatic (well, having any diplomacy at all about it), it would've done a world of good. It was a long, hard, exciting race and an excellent display of riding from both you and Valentino but as I write this now, it is not with the usual feeling of pride I get when writing about races, regardless of where you finished, it's with a sense of shame.
Over the next couple of days you're going to get an absolute battering from the press and media as well as the hordes of fans on forums, and where usually I would be able to step-up and apply reasonable defence, I really can't do it this time.
In one fell swoop you've destroyed the pride of a dedicated, enthusiastic fan and left me feeling ashamed and embarrassed.
I think you're being way too precious. The bloke was just a bit fNot by your performance on track, which was a display of excellence, but I knew you would comment on one particular incident in the race and was praying you wouldn't but you did, in the post-race interview. Yes, the move was questionable, and indeed an echo of a move Elias put on Rossi in the 2006 season which Rossi himself classified as dangerous but you have to take the time to consider what you're saying and when you're saying it. Had you taken more time to think about it and been more diplomatic (well, having any diplomacy at all about it), it would've done a world of good. It was a long, hard, exciting race and an excellent display of riding from both you and Valentino but as I write this now, it is not with the usual feeling of pride I get when writing about races, regardless of where you finished, it's with a sense of shame.
Over the next couple of days you're going to get an absolute battering from the press and media as well as the hordes of fans on forums, and where usually I would be able to step-up and apply reasonable defence, I really can't do it this time.
In one fell swoop you've destroyed the pride of a dedicated, enthusiastic fan and left me feeling ashamed and embarrassed.
ked off and said it. This is what people are like in general.Stig said:
surfsofa said:
I'm no expert on Moto GP, but the way it looked to me Stoner was clearly out-performed by the far smoother Rossi. The Duke seems to be all about power - where would it be without traction control? For me it was good to see a more skillful rider hold his position. Fantastic battle and I was glad to see the best man win.
Quoted For Truth.dern said:
Rawwr said:
Casey, I hate to say it but at this particular moment I'm actually quite ashamed.
Not by your performance on track, which was a display of excellence, but I knew you would comment on one particular incident in the race and was praying you wouldn't but you did, in the post-race interview. Yes, the move was questionable, and indeed an echo of a move Elias put on Rossi in the 2006 season which Rossi himself classified as dangerous but you have to take the time to consider what you're saying and when you're saying it. Had you taken more time to think about it and been more diplomatic (well, having any diplomacy at all about it), it would've done a world of good. It was a long, hard, exciting race and an excellent display of riding from both you and Valentino but as I write this now, it is not with the usual feeling of pride I get when writing about races, regardless of where you finished, it's with a sense of shame.
Over the next couple of days you're going to get an absolute battering from the press and media as well as the hordes of fans on forums, and where usually I would be able to step-up and apply reasonable defence, I really can't do it this time.
In one fell swoop you've destroyed the pride of a dedicated, enthusiastic fan and left me feeling ashamed and embarrassed.
I think you're being way too precious. The bloke was just a bit fNot by your performance on track, which was a display of excellence, but I knew you would comment on one particular incident in the race and was praying you wouldn't but you did, in the post-race interview. Yes, the move was questionable, and indeed an echo of a move Elias put on Rossi in the 2006 season which Rossi himself classified as dangerous but you have to take the time to consider what you're saying and when you're saying it. Had you taken more time to think about it and been more diplomatic (well, having any diplomacy at all about it), it would've done a world of good. It was a long, hard, exciting race and an excellent display of riding from both you and Valentino but as I write this now, it is not with the usual feeling of pride I get when writing about races, regardless of where you finished, it's with a sense of shame.
Over the next couple of days you're going to get an absolute battering from the press and media as well as the hordes of fans on forums, and where usually I would be able to step-up and apply reasonable defence, I really can't do it this time.
In one fell swoop you've destroyed the pride of a dedicated, enthusiastic fan and left me feeling ashamed and embarrassed.
ked off and said it. This is what people are like in general.Being f*****d off is one thing, being a bad loser and not accepting a sporting handshake from a rival you have been beating just shows what low class act you are. Seems like the Aussies cry alot when other riders beat them!
97rsr said:
I'm not sure what calling Raww precious is all about?
I was expressing the opinion that it was an overly sensitive and dramatic 'letter'. Which bit is confusing you?97rsr said:
Being f*****d off is one thing, being a bad loser and not accepting a sporting handshake from a rival you have been beating just shows what low class act you are. Seems like the Aussies cry alot when other riders beat them!
He was of the belief, rightly or wrongly, that Rossi had put him in danger inappropriately. He may change his mind but the lad had just got of a bike and was probably a bit full of pretty much every kind of emotion going and he let off a bit of steam. He's only human and I see no reason for sitting there wringing our hands ashamed over the imagine of the sport.I mean...
Rawwr said:
In one fell swoop you've destroyed the pride of a dedicated, enthusiastic fan and left me feeling ashamed and embarrassed.
...dude, get a grip 
.Edited by dern on Monday 21st July 10:00
I think he was pissed off with the incident when Rossi ran off wide into the dirt and some how kept it the right way up but then classed with CS. I don't think CS knew Rossi ran off there, when he sees the race he will realize Rossi made an almost identical fk up to him - only Rossi kept it right way up
Best race I've seen for ages. Takes me back to those Rainey/Schwantz days
k up to him - only Rossi kept it right way upBest race I've seen for ages. Takes me back to those Rainey/Schwantz days
97rsr said:
dern said:
97rsr said:
I'm not sure what calling Raww precious is all about?
I was expressing the opinion that it was an overly sensitive and dramatic 'letter'. Which bit is confusing you?97rsr said:
Just a joke you need to chill out.
you need to chill out.
Edited by dern on Monday 21st July 10:29
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