Caught on camera
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Got home last night to find a rather nasty surprise. Lambeth council have been taking photo's of me at 07.39 1st July on the Wandsworth Rd (near new Covent Garden market, 4 to be precise at £15 a pop. CCTV and unfortunately good definition.
PNC Code 32P 'Failing to drive in the direction shown by the arrow on a blue sign' Which in my case was riding round the other side of a small island in the middle of the road whilst filtering because the gap had been closed by a car on the correct side. No oncoming traffic I would add.
Anyway, not bleating about being fined as I was obviously in the wrong. However what does bug me is that many of the roads in Lambeth are in appalling condition, to the extent of being dangerous and the are not nearly so swift to deal with these. A few years ago I hit a pothole caused by a leaking stopcock which destroyed my front wheel (caught the rim and cracked it) £400 it cost me, would Lambeth admit liability, would they
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Rant over, I shall now pay my £60 and at least there are no points.
PS. The CCTV camera is just before the Sainsburys petrol station going towards Vauxhall for those of you go that way.
PNC Code 32P 'Failing to drive in the direction shown by the arrow on a blue sign' Which in my case was riding round the other side of a small island in the middle of the road whilst filtering because the gap had been closed by a car on the correct side. No oncoming traffic I would add.
Anyway, not bleating about being fined as I was obviously in the wrong. However what does bug me is that many of the roads in Lambeth are in appalling condition, to the extent of being dangerous and the are not nearly so swift to deal with these. A few years ago I hit a pothole caused by a leaking stopcock which destroyed my front wheel (caught the rim and cracked it) £400 it cost me, would Lambeth admit liability, would they
.Rant over, I shall now pay my £60 and at least there are no points.
PS. The CCTV camera is just before the Sainsburys petrol station going towards Vauxhall for those of you go that way.
black-k1 said:
Another major society destroying crime solved through the use of CCTV. International criminal gangs will think twice now before they undertake any illegal dealings in Lambeth. The streets are safe and we can all relax in the knowledge that we are being watched over 24 hours a day.black-k1 said:
Another major society destroying crime solved through the use of CCTV. International criminal gangs will think twice now before they undertake any illegal dealings in Lambeth. The streets are safe and we can all relax in the knowledge that we are being watched over 24 hours a day.trumpet600 said:
Am I being a bit slow here?
Going the other side of the arrow is surely a traffic offence and not a local authority one. Are they now self appointed policemen?
I would have agreed, however the top of the PCN states:Going the other side of the arrow is surely a traffic offence and not a local authority one. Are they now self appointed policemen?
This notice is for a moving traffic contravention.
London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003
You should talk to one of these top celeb lawyers that deal with this crap. I'm not sure the law allows cameras to be used specifically for this purpose as it becomes an infringement of our civil liberties and brings into question the freedom of information act. All cctv has to be very very very strictly regulated, and laid down clearly in law if they are to use cctv footage as in this instance. Please don't just pay it. Look into fighting for all our sakes and our future freedoms.
trumpet600 said:
Am I being a bit slow here?
Going the other side of the arrow is surely a traffic offence and not a local authority one. Are they now self appointed policemen?
London Local Authority Act 2003, so yep, a little slow on the uptakeGoing the other side of the arrow is surely a traffic offence and not a local authority one. Are they now self appointed policemen?
They can have you for any moving traffic offence, including "banned right or left turns, no entries, blocking a yellow box junction, going the wrong way in a one way street and illegal U turns", and thats from any of the CCTV cameras, not just designated ones.
I'd be very very careful to ensure things like indicators on in a box junction are carefully adhered to. I'd also be stroppy enough to push the process as far as you can(asking for evidence etc etc) before it tips over the appeals time limit, to ensure that they are having to work hard for their money. Presumably they have a cost/benefit analysis going on, so if they have to do £70 worth of work to nick you for a £60 ticket, they might think twice. Just a thought to the OP...
Ballon said:
trumpet600 said:
Am I being a bit slow here?
Going the other side of the arrow is surely a traffic offence and not a local authority one. Are they now self appointed policemen?
I would have agreed, however the top of the PCN states:Going the other side of the arrow is surely a traffic offence and not a local authority one. Are they now self appointed policemen?
This notice is for a moving traffic contravention.
London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003
randlemarcus said:
trumpet600 said:
Am I being a bit slow here?
Going the other side of the arrow is surely a traffic offence and not a local authority one. Are they now self appointed policemen?
London Local Authority Act 2003, so yep, a little slow on the uptakeGoing the other side of the arrow is surely a traffic offence and not a local authority one. Are they now self appointed policemen?
They can have you for any moving traffic offence, including "banned right or left turns, no entries, blocking a yellow box junction, going the wrong way in a one way street and illegal U turns", and thats from any of the CCTV cameras, not just designated ones.
I'd be very very careful to ensure things like indicators on in a box junction are carefully adhered to. I'd also be stroppy enough to push the process as far as you can(asking for evidence etc etc) before it tips over the appeals time limit, to ensure that they are having to work hard for their money. Presumably they have a cost/benefit analysis going on, so if they have to do £70 worth of work to nick you for a £60 ticket, they might think twice. Just a thought to the OP...
Date of the PCN is 18/07, received by me on the 22/07 and you get 14 days to pay the 50% fine. If you challenge them and fail you have to pay the full £120!
I would post the link to the website for all to view the dastardly deed but you have to input my reg number
Edited by Ballon on Wednesday 23 July 11:24
Ballon, bad luck with the camera stasi, but why the Hell didn't you take Lambeth to court over the wheel. I did it to Bristol County Council in 1971(before that Avon crap appeared) for doing the same on my MZ in Bristol on the Centre, bent the forks and smashed the wheel. I was a bit wonky as well for a few days. Had photos done by my solicitor (and of the pothole), they whinged like hell but paid up after losing in Bristol Crown court! That's what good solicitors are for!!!
In a similar vein, I got busted the other week my PC plod on the Kennington Road for ignoring the blue directional arrows... Cue a £30 fine and a good slap on the wrists. It was right outside the FWR garage...
Sounds like they're clamping down on this. If only they'd do the same with the bloody cyclists who jump red lights...
Sounds like they're clamping down on this. If only they'd do the same with the bloody cyclists who jump red lights...
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