Steve Fossett - Still Alive

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thehawk

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Monday 28th July 2008
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Some people think so, and not conspiracists either.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2462912/Adventurer...

JohnLatham

4,456 posts

299 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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Interesting, but the insurance company is looking to avoid paying out £25m, so they're not exactly impartial.

Tony*T3

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262 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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wouldnt be the first time someones done it after all.....


sure is a funny case.

tinman0

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255 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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ffs

article said:
However, Lieutenant Colonel Cynthia Ryan of the US Civil Air Patrol has said Fossett, whose body or plane was never found, could still be alive.
She said: "I've been doing this search and rescue for 14 years. Fossett should have been found.
"It's not like we didn't have our eyes open. We found six other planes while we were looking for him. We're pretty good at what we do."
Ok, so you've been doing search and rescue for 14 years, and its only on this S&R that you find 6 planes you missed the first time round. Hmmm. Maybe you should be home baking cookies luv cause looking for crashed planes really isn't your thing.

I'm sure all the other families are in awe of your work when you phoned them up and said "remember your long lost husband that we thought had done a runner - we've found his body in a plane wreck! how great is that! You were right after all that his plane crashed".

Simpo Two

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280 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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tinman0 said:
ffs

article said:
However, Lieutenant Colonel Cynthia Ryan of the US Civil Air Patrol has said Fossett, whose body or plane was never found, could still be alive.
She said: "I've been doing this search and rescue for 14 years. Fossett should have been found.
"It's not like we didn't have our eyes open. We found six other planes while we were looking for him. We're pretty good at what we do."
Ok, so you've been doing search and rescue for 14 years, and its only on this S&R that you find 6 planes you missed the first time round.
Exactly! (Unless of course they all crashed recently). Or maybe they just bulk them up for a few years and then do them in one hit?

Munter

31,330 posts

256 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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tinman0 said:
ffs

article said:
However, Lieutenant Colonel Cynthia Ryan of the US Civil Air Patrol has said Fossett, whose body or plane was never found, could still be alive.
She said: "I've been doing this search and rescue for 14 years. Fossett should have been found.
"It's not like we didn't have our eyes open. We found six other planes while we were looking for him. We're pretty good at what we do."
Ok, so you've been doing search and rescue for 14 years, and its only on this S&R that you find 6 planes you missed the first time round. Hmmm. Maybe you should be home baking cookies luv cause looking for crashed planes really isn't your thing.

I'm sure all the other families are in awe of your work when you phoned them up and said "remember your long lost husband that we thought had done a runner - we've found his body in a plane wreck! how great is that! You were right after all that his plane crashed".
Does she not mean that they found 6 others which went missing during the search period. Rather than they found 6 outstanding aircraft from old searches?

tinman0

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255 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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Munter said:
tinman0 said:
ffs

article said:
However, Lieutenant Colonel Cynthia Ryan of the US Civil Air Patrol has said Fossett, whose body or plane was never found, could still be alive.
She said: "I've been doing this search and rescue for 14 years. Fossett should have been found.
"It's not like we didn't have our eyes open. We found six other planes while we were looking for him. We're pretty good at what we do."
Ok, so you've been doing search and rescue for 14 years, and its only on this S&R that you find 6 planes you missed the first time round. Hmmm. Maybe you should be home baking cookies luv cause looking for crashed planes really isn't your thing.

I'm sure all the other families are in awe of your work when you phoned them up and said "remember your long lost husband that we thought had done a runner - we've found his body in a plane wreck! how great is that! You were right after all that his plane crashed".
Does she not mean that they found 6 others which went missing during the search period. Rather than they found 6 outstanding aircraft from old searches?
I believe they were historical rather than just standing on the edge of an air field watching aircraft taking off and then ditching all over Americawink

Munter

31,330 posts

256 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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Anyway I just read the story in full. The plane he used as a frame covered in fabric. The dude claims Fosset could have dismanteled it. Yes or as it was fabric it could have collapsed into a much smaller pile of wreckage I'd think. Thus making it harder to find than a all aluminium plane...

Roop

6,012 posts

299 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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Munter said:
Anyway I just read the story in full. The plane he used as a frame covered in fabric. The dude claims Fosset could have dismanteled it. Yes or as it was fabric it could have collapsed into a much smaller pile of wreckage I'd think. Thus making it harder to find than a all aluminium plane...
If they catch fire there's not a lot left to spot either bar an engine block.

thehawk

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222 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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Many of the discovered planes were decades old.

SLacKer

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222 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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He should have used a canoe instead...much more convincing although the desert is a bit dry for it smile

OJ

14,151 posts

243 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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It does sound a nadge fishy it has to be said

Tony*T3

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262 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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tinman0 said:
ffs

article said:
However, Lieutenant Colonel Cynthia Ryan of the US Civil Air Patrol has said Fossett, whose body or plane was never found, could still be alive.
She said: "I've been doing this search and rescue for 14 years. Fossett should have been found.
"It's not like we didn't have our eyes open. We found six other planes while we were looking for him. We're pretty good at what we do."
Ok, so you've been doing search and rescue for 14 years, and its only on this S&R that you find 6 planes you missed the first time round. Hmmm. Maybe you should be home baking cookies luv cause looking for crashed planes really isn't your thing.

I'm sure all the other families are in awe of your work when you phoned them up and said "remember your long lost husband that we thought had done a runner - we've found his body in a plane wreck! how great is that! You were right after all that his plane crashed".
She never said that they'd previosuly searched for the other 6 planes, or that they had been reported missing or anything else. Could have been drug smugglers etc. I think you've jumped to a conclusion rather unfairly.

cottonfoo

6,017 posts

225 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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"joined by over 30 private planes and internet experts scanning the Nevada desert"

Unleash the internet experts!

randomman

2,215 posts

204 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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Anyone else expecting him to turn up in panama?

tinman0

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255 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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Tony*T3 said:
She never said that they'd previosuly searched for the other 6 planes, or that they had been reported missing or anything else. Could have been drug smugglers etc. I think you've jumped to a conclusion rather unfairly.
article said:
"But over the last 50 years, aviation officials estimate, more than 150 small planes have disappeared in Nevada" CNN.com September 9, 2007

"There are 129 known crash sites in Nevada, but officials estimate that over the last 50 years more than 300 small planes have disappeared in the state." The Guardian September 11, 2007
article said:
Commenting on one of the old crash sites that was found, Nevada Civil Air Patrol Major Cynthia Ryan correctly told reporters, "Unfortunately, it turned out to be one of many dozen unmapped wreck sites from previous years." (Msnbc.com “Day Four of Search For Steve Fossett”).

By "unmapped", she is talking about what is commonly referred to as the "Wreckage Locator List." This is a list (click on CON US Crash Locator at bottom of list) maintained by Air Force Rescue Coordination Center at Langley Air Force Base, VA, and used by the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) to identify old crash sites while search for missing aircraft.
The problem is that they are searching a huge area and not all light aircraft are owned by drug smugglers.

ref: http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/fossett.htm

Flintstone

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262 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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randomman said:
Anyone else expecting him to turn up in panama?
Turn up wearing a hat? :confuced:

rhinochopig

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Monday 28th July 2008
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Tony*T3

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Monday 28th July 2008
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tinman0 said:
Tony*T3 said:
She never said that they'd previosuly searched for the other 6 planes, or that they had been reported missing or anything else. Could have been drug smugglers etc. I think you've jumped to a conclusion rather unfairly.
article said:
"But over the last 50 years, aviation officials estimate, more than 150 small planes have disappeared in Nevada" CNN.com September 9, 2007

"There are 129 known crash sites in Nevada, but officials estimate that over the last 50 years more than 300 small planes have disappeared in the state." The Guardian September 11, 2007
article said:
Commenting on one of the old crash sites that was found, Nevada Civil Air Patrol Major Cynthia Ryan correctly told reporters, "Unfortunately, it turned out to be one of many dozen unmapped wreck sites from previous years." (Msnbc.com “Day Four of Search For Steve Fossett”).

By "unmapped", she is talking about what is commonly referred to as the "Wreckage Locator List." This is a list (click on CON US Crash Locator at bottom of list) maintained by Air Force Rescue Coordination Center at Langley Air Force Base, VA, and used by the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) to identify old crash sites while search for missing aircraft.
The problem is that they are searching a huge area and not all light aircraft are owned by drug smugglers.

ref: http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/fossett.htm
Point is tought that msot searches are called off within hours of the plane going missing. Its only because of Fossetts fame and wealth that this search has been as thourgh as it has been. Seems as soon as someone says 'so whose paying for this' that searches get called off - or as in many cases, searches never happened int he first place.

Interesting that the county asked fossetts widow to contribute to a proportion of the $1.6 million dollar search (about 1/3rd) and she said no. So even multimillionaires can ba 'tight' it seems.

Maybe she has the money tide up in Panamanian time shares.....?wink

Bushmaster

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294 months

Monday 28th July 2008
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Years ago two Vickers Viscounts full of passengers went missing on the same route in Ecuador between two cities not that far apart. That is TWO aircraft. Quite LARGE aircraft. On a KNOWN route. On a SHORT route.

Took 20 years before they were found.

Aircraft that fly into the ground can be hard to spot!