Freeview Changes.
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telecat

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8,528 posts

272 months

Thursday 31st July 2008
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Looks like OFCOM will be moving Channels around to "clear" a Multiplex for FreeviewHD. This will mean the BBC will lose some bandwidth and hence might lose some channels. Five will move to one of the BBC slots along with some other channels. The other upshot to this is that the Multiplexes will use 64QAM instead of the more stable 16QAM. The main thing about this is that some lower cost Freeview boxes cannot handle 64QAM and will become useless. OnDigital used 64QAM and many of the complaints about picture quality and signal robustness came from this. The main reason for using it is that you get more channels on the same bandwidth. MPEG-4 will be used for HD and it will not be done until the analogue signal can be switched off and the Digital signal is increased in strength to compensate for the 64QAM signal on the remaining SD channels.

condor

8,837 posts

279 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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Can you say that again in english ? smile

I've got cable.....but didn't understand any of that.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

286 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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I think I just gave up....

r1ot

733 posts

239 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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QAM = Quadrature Amplitude Modulation

Does that make it any clearer

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

229 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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Why not go H264 then, if they're going to mess around with everything anyway?

xiphias

5,889 posts

258 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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So when is this likely to happen?

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

229 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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xiphias said:
So when is this likely to happen?
Tuesday. But nobody knows which Tuesday...

fastfreddy

8,577 posts

268 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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Let's face it, most STB's are so poorly made these days, they only last a year or two anyway so we'll all have to buy a new one soon anyway. HD needs a load of free channels to kick start it in this country so changes like this can only be a good thing IMO.

outlaw biker

2,458 posts

227 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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I fking hate 64QAM....and as for MPEG4....don't get me started!!!! Damn you 1's and 0's!!!! GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!! RAAAAARRRRRRrrrrrRRRR!!!! Woof Woof.

telecat

Original Poster:

8,528 posts

272 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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Well they seem to be doing the QAM bit when they switch off the Analogue signal. The main thing here is that it show's just how crap OFCOM are!! They should have given one of the analogue frequencies to Freeview for HD. Instead they take some services off air and for some boxes take the service away completely. OFCOM seems only to care about the cheapest solution even when it's crap!!!

littlegreenfairy

10,134 posts

252 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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OK, so, in PLAIN ENGLISH.

Does this still mean I can watch Neighbours and Road Wars? (I have a small crush on one of the police officers paperbag)

D-Angle

4,468 posts

273 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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Does this mean we're getting free porn? Because I have been writing to OFCOM...

Paul R

1,181 posts

315 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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telecat said:
Looks like OFCOM will be moving Channels around to "clear" a Multiplex for FreeviewHD. This will mean the BBC will lose some bandwidth and hence might lose some channels. Five will move to one of the BBC slots along with some other channels. The other upshot to this is that the Multiplexes will use 64QAM instead of the more stable 16QAM. The main thing about this is that some lower cost Freeview boxes cannot handle 64QAM and will become useless. OnDigital used 64QAM and many of the complaints about picture quality and signal robustness came from this. The main reason for using it is that you get more channels on the same bandwidth. MPEG-4 will be used for HD and it will not be done until the analogue signal can be switched off and the Digital signal is increased in strength to compensate for the 64QAM signal on the remaining SD channels.
Nerd Alert! nerd

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

229 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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QAM is short for QAMSHAFT, and no, you won't get porn or neighbours under the new system. Just 118 188 adverts and celebrity dog borstal. It's a disgrace, I blame the government...

Marc W

3,782 posts

242 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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littlegreenfairy said:
OK, so, in PLAIN ENGLISH.

Does this still mean I can watch Neighbours and Road Wars? (I have a small crush on one of the police officers paperbag)
Which one? I used to work with one of them. (Before he joined the police force)

Sorry, as you were!

Killer2005

20,644 posts

259 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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telecat said:
Looks like OFCOM will be moving Channels around to "clear" a Multiplex for FreeviewHD. This will mean the BBC will lose some bandwidth and hence might lose some channels. Five will move to one of the BBC slots along with some other channels. The other upshot to this is that the Multiplexes will use 64QAM instead of the more stable 16QAM. The main thing about this is that some lower cost Freeview boxes cannot handle 64QAM and will become useless. OnDigital used 64QAM and many of the complaints about picture quality and signal robustness came from this. The main reason for using it is that you get more channels on the same bandwidth. MPEG-4 will be used for HD and it will not be done until the analogue signal can be switched off and the Digital signal is increased in strength to compensate for the 64QAM signal on the remaining SD channels.
So loose a BBC channel and we get a another Channel 5 repeat service frown

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

229 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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Killer2005 said:
...loose...
Lose. LOSE! Not Loo's, Lu's, Loose, Lew's etc...

Killer2005

20,644 posts

259 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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Feck redface

elster

17,517 posts

241 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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Killer2005 said:
telecat said:
Looks like OFCOM will be moving Channels around to "clear" a Multiplex for FreeviewHD. This will mean the BBC will lose some bandwidth and hence might lose some channels. Five will move to one of the BBC slots along with some other channels. The other upshot to this is that the Multiplexes will use 64QAM instead of the more stable 16QAM. The main thing about this is that some lower cost Freeview boxes cannot handle 64QAM and will become useless. OnDigital used 64QAM and many of the complaints about picture quality and signal robustness came from this. The main reason for using it is that you get more channels on the same bandwidth. MPEG-4 will be used for HD and it will not be done until the analogue signal can be switched off and the Digital signal is increased in strength to compensate for the 64QAM signal on the remaining SD channels.
So lose a BBC channel and we get a another Channel 5 repeat service frown
Do people watch channel 5?!! can't we just get rid of one of the several st channels

Zad

13,024 posts

267 months

Friday 1st August 2008
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elster said:
Do people watch channel 5?!! can't we just get rid of one of the several st channels
The C5 baseball is great! I'm ashamed to say I'm quite fond of Hotel Inspector too paperbag