Unanswered Parking Question
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The other day asked a question on the "controversial" reversing into an unlit car thread. Maybe it has been missed so I'll post the text again here. TIA.
Ancilliary question for BiB / legal eagles.
I have always understood that it is illegal to park on the wrong side of the road at night, even with position lights lit.
However I can no longer find the bit of legislation which confirms my understanding of this as correct or otherwise.
Could you advise and point out the relevant regs please.
cheers,
FiF
Ancilliary question for BiB / legal eagles.
I have always understood that it is illegal to park on the wrong side of the road at night, even with position lights lit.
However I can no longer find the bit of legislation which confirms my understanding of this as correct or otherwise.
Could you advise and point out the relevant regs please.
cheers,
FiF
www.highwaycode.gov.uk/22.shtml#222
Parking at night
You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.
Laws CUR reg 101 & RVLR reg 24
All vehicles MUST display parking lights when parked on a road or a lay-by on a road with a speed limit greater than 30 mph.
Law RVLR reg 24
Edited to add:
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525kg unladen, invalid carriages and motorcycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by. Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
Law RVLR reg 24
>> Edited by 206xsi on Tuesday 9th September 11:34
Parking at night
You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.
Laws CUR reg 101 & RVLR reg 24
All vehicles MUST display parking lights when parked on a road or a lay-by on a road with a speed limit greater than 30 mph.
Law RVLR reg 24
Edited to add:
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525kg unladen, invalid carriages and motorcycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by. Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
Law RVLR reg 24
>> Edited by 206xsi on Tuesday 9th September 11:34
A mate once had a window smashed and speakers nicked out of the back of his car, when the police turned up they took the details and advised they were unlikely to find the culprits and started spouting off about the car being parked facing oncoming traffic (at night) although it was in a line of parked cars in a resedential area.... No charge though
Oh right enough.. If it had been parked the other way round he'd still have his speakers.... Thanks occifer......
Oh right enough.. If it had been parked the other way round he'd still have his speakers.... Thanks occifer......
Cheers folks,
RVLR are here >>
www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_1.htm#tcon
The way I interpret reg 24 is that when it is talking about LHS of vehicle to nearside verge is in the part when talking about legitimate places to park without lights.
C&UR is not available on the web to my knowledge. Anyway it is such a mish mash of revisions, cross referenced to EU legislation a real head ache ensues.
So it must be in CUR101 then.
RVLR are here >>
www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_1.htm#tcon
The way I interpret reg 24 is that when it is talking about LHS of vehicle to nearside verge is in the part when talking about legitimate places to park without lights.
C&UR is not available on the web to my knowledge. Anyway it is such a mish mash of revisions, cross referenced to EU legislation a real head ache ensues.
So it must be in CUR101 then.
r55mur said:
A mate once had a window smashed and speakers nicked out of the back of his car, when the police turned up they took the details and advised they were unlikely to find the culprits and started spouting off about the car being parked facing oncoming traffic (at night) although it was in a line of parked cars in a resedential area.... No charge though
Oh right enough.. If it had been parked the other way round he'd still have his speakers.... Thanks occifer......
Yes Cunt-Stable I understand your concern about my parking, but can you give me an incident number for my insurance and then I'll let you get back to sitting in the layby eating donuts!
Flat in Fifth said:
Re those last two posts gentlemen!
They are really going to encourage a friendly b-i-b to come on and post his answer to my query.
Thanks for nowt!
Actually less than nothing in my opinion.
My apologies.... post deleted, It just made me laugh... if only for a second...... I see your point though.
onedsla said:
"vehicles not exceeding 1525kg..."
This rules out a load of cars - I think my dad's E-class merc is around or over this weight - should rule out most SUVs and 4x4's anyway!!
This is unladen weight not Gross veicle weight.
It basically caters for large transit vans etc.
Anything over 3500kg GVW has to be lit at night even if it is within a 30mph limit.
Most 4X4s and SUVs are not in excess of 3500kg GVW
jacko lah said:
A mate once had a window smashed and speakers nicked out of the back of his car, when the police turned up they took the details and advised they were unlikely to find the culprits and started spouting off about the car being parked facing oncoming traffic (at night) although it was in a line of parked cars in a resedential area.... No charge though
Oh right enough.. If it had been parked the other way round he'd still have his speakers.... Thanks occifer......
Yes Cunt-Stable I understand your concern about my parking, but can you give me an incident number for my insurance and then I'll let you get back to sitting in the layby eating donuts!
This forum is for grown up sensible people. If you cannot be civil or are attempting a poorly structured recipe at humour, might I suggest that you go somewhere else to practice. Thankyou
r55mur said:
My apologies.... post deleted, It just made me laugh... if only for a second...... I see your point though.
Ok thanks for that. I could have been a bit more civil in my objection too.
Tell you what, to show you no hard feelings please accept a bottle of Staropramen........ oh beggar it the missus just took the last one, is a virtual Scrumpy Jack OK?
Now then Madcop there is a beer in the fridge for you too if you can tell me the wording in CUR 101 if that is indeed the bit of legislation.
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Tuesday 9th September 20:24
Like anyone would bother you're thinking...
New Sgt, keen to impress at new station goes out into the local industrial estate at night and as a lesson to his squad tickets a large number of trucks parked around with no lights on.
Next day discovers they recovery trucks with FPN's all over them are on the AADL contract, and actually recover broken down police vehicles
Whack whack oops
New Sgt, keen to impress at new station goes out into the local industrial estate at night and as a lesson to his squad tickets a large number of trucks parked around with no lights on.
Next day discovers they recovery trucks with FPN's all over them are on the AADL contract, and actually recover broken down police vehicles
Whack whack oops
Flat in Fifth said:
[quote=r55mur]
Now then Madcop there is a beer in the fridge for you too if you can tell me the wording in CUR 101 if that is indeed the bit of legislation.
I don't have a full list of CUR's. Care to enlighten me and I may well be able to help.
Reg 100 is to do with dangerous condition or dangerous parts, so could be vaguely linked into this. Is it a lighting or parking regulation?
Flat in Fifth said:
I have always understood that it is illegal to park on the wrong side of the road at night, even with position lights lit.
It is not illegal to do so, in fact if the car is facing the wrong way to oncoming traffic being on the wrong carriageway the position lights must illuminated. You commit an offence if you leave your headlamps on when stationary (parked) facing in either direction.
Vehicles over 3500kg GVW have to have their position lamps illuminated even in 30mph limits. HGVs are not allowed to park on any road at night regardless of the lights they display. I cannot find the weight limit at the moment but I believe that it is anything over 7500kg GVW (if memory serves me right)
Goods vehicle operators are subject to strict regulation to stop them doing just that. They have to apply for and satisfy the Traffic Commisioners that they are a proper and fit company with adequate facilities to maintain and park their fleet of vehicles away from the roads. Only when they can do this will they be granted an 'operators licence'.
Transport companies must have a 'yard' that they can park their vehicles within.
madcop said:
HGVs are not allowed to park on any road at night regardless of the lights they display.
I see so many trucks parked on the sides of roads overnight. I pity the drivers who have to sleep in their cabs waiting for their tachographs to say they can drive again (yes I understand it's about safety, not arguing that point). If they're in laybys are they legal? If they're on the hard shoulder of a service area slip road are they legal? Shouldn't there be more places provided for these guys to rest properly?
And is it just my perception, or are there more and more of them doing this?
madcop said:
[quote=r55mur]
Now then Madcop there is a beer in the fridge for you too if you can tell me the wording in CUR 101 if that is indeed the bit of legislation.
I don't have a full list of CUR's. Care to enlighten me and I may well be able to help.
Reg 100 is to do with dangerous condition or dangerous parts, so could be vaguely linked into this. Is it a lighting or parking regulation?
Hi, sorry slow response, been bit busy last two days.
It's something from an incident ages ago that I recalled when looking at the Vehicle lighting regs on that other thread.
As I say years ago now a mate stopped by my house before he went off on nights as the local community bobby. He parked on the wrong side of the road ie RHS to kerb but left his position lights lit. Anyway he got ticketed.
We were both so convinced that it was OK to do this that quite some time was spent to see if we or the ticketing officer was right. Shall we say we both knew who it was (a TFA) and there was some history in place. The answer turned up in Butterworth's IIRC that it was illegal and the ticket was valid.
Something along the lines of you must never park on a highway between sunset and sunrise unless you have the LHS of the vehicle nearest and parallel to the kerb or given permission by a uniform. Or something vaguely along those lines. Again there were all sorts of exceptions, eg marked diagonal parking places . I'm sure you get the picture.
Thanks to 206XSi right at the beginning it points to it being somewhere in CUR 101. Just wanted the wording, I thought it was in RVLR but not the first time been wrong.
Cheers,
FiF
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