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Please excuse the rant but seriously now, what world do they live in?
One of the big bosses comes round, about number 4 in the company. He never spoke a word to any of the staff, yet this w
r told my manager to send me and some others home without pay as we weren't working hard enough. Apparently, I was walking too slowly whilst carrying (heavy) stock. My manager said he would but luckily told me not to worry, this being lucky as if I was sent home, I would not be coming back as I will not be spoken to that way.
After that, he first demanded one of my colleagues be fired because he'd left a ladder on the shop floor. This was a breach of Health and Safety apparently and has fired people for leaving boxes in the yellow shaded walking areas. He then decided he should just be sent home but luckily this didn't happen either. Next, he demanded the TV, which plays a 10 second looped commercial, be turned up so loud it could be heard throughout the store, which led to several customers complaining it was too loud to even talk over.
I've worked there 3 years without a single complaint, telling off or disciplinary and this jumped up self important ct on a six figure salary waltzes in and threatens my livelihood and only source of income on a whim. In my opinion I do work fairly hard and will always help out and do overtime when asked. I have no problem with being politely asked what to do and helping out, but I do have a problem with someone I've never met telling someone else to dock me money. I know it's only a semi part time job but I do for the most part enjoy it and put effort in. I'm not the strongest person in the world and my back isn't 100% so I can find it a struggle to move heavy items. If I had been doing nothing then it would perhaps have been justified, but I was working in the same manner I have done for the last 3 years
Earlier on another colleague had been flatly refused a payrise off minimum wages there was 'no money in the company for it.' The company I work for have just posted record profits.
What kind of world do these people live in? Do they have any idea what it's like to live on minimum wage (£5.54 an hour)? From a legal view if he had fired someone for leaving stock in he wrong place, surely that would be unfair dismissal? Could you legally dock someone pay for perceived slowness? Just to top it off, my employer has withdrawn double time for bank holidays and now treat it as a normal working day, which means if you're on the rota you have to work it.
I am aware you could say 'if you don't like it then leave' but I have bills and rent to pay.
In case you were wondering, said company are a major car parts supplier who are always 'going the extra mile'.
One of the big bosses comes round, about number 4 in the company. He never spoke a word to any of the staff, yet this w
r told my manager to send me and some others home without pay as we weren't working hard enough. Apparently, I was walking too slowly whilst carrying (heavy) stock. My manager said he would but luckily told me not to worry, this being lucky as if I was sent home, I would not be coming back as I will not be spoken to that way. After that, he first demanded one of my colleagues be fired because he'd left a ladder on the shop floor. This was a breach of Health and Safety apparently and has fired people for leaving boxes in the yellow shaded walking areas. He then decided he should just be sent home but luckily this didn't happen either. Next, he demanded the TV, which plays a 10 second looped commercial, be turned up so loud it could be heard throughout the store, which led to several customers complaining it was too loud to even talk over.
I've worked there 3 years without a single complaint, telling off or disciplinary and this jumped up self important c
t on a six figure salary waltzes in and threatens my livelihood and only source of income on a whim. In my opinion I do work fairly hard and will always help out and do overtime when asked. I have no problem with being politely asked what to do and helping out, but I do have a problem with someone I've never met telling someone else to dock me money. I know it's only a semi part time job but I do for the most part enjoy it and put effort in. I'm not the strongest person in the world and my back isn't 100% so I can find it a struggle to move heavy items. If I had been doing nothing then it would perhaps have been justified, but I was working in the same manner I have done for the last 3 years Earlier on another colleague had been flatly refused a payrise off minimum wages there was 'no money in the company for it.' The company I work for have just posted record profits.
What kind of world do these people live in? Do they have any idea what it's like to live on minimum wage (£5.54 an hour)? From a legal view if he had fired someone for leaving stock in he wrong place, surely that would be unfair dismissal? Could you legally dock someone pay for perceived slowness? Just to top it off, my employer has withdrawn double time for bank holidays and now treat it as a normal working day, which means if you're on the rota you have to work it.
I am aware you could say 'if you don't like it then leave' but I have bills and rent to pay.
In case you were wondering, said company are a major car parts supplier who are always 'going the extra mile'.
- hopes thread doesn't backfire*
Bide your time, find another job then when you tender your notice, you can tell him to SYJUYBFA 
I did it about 20 years ago and regretted saying it at the time even though my mates thought I was
but when I think back about how liberating it was then, it makes me 
Just think: He sounds like he is a total cock and will continue to be.. get out and find something else thats worthwhile
I did it about 20 years ago and regretted saying it at the time even though my mates thought I was
but when I think back about how liberating it was then, it makes me Just think: He sounds like he is a total cock and will continue to be.. get out and find something else thats worthwhile
If it's any consolation, your junior management and supervisory staff must find this dictator as unpopular as you do. If he hasn't done so already, he'll threaten them with the sack over the least thing. Your line manager knows you have a good work ethic and I think doesn't want to lose you. So you're all in the same boat.
His threats to sack you over proper adherence to health & safety in relation to manual handling is IMHO bang out of order. You're walking slowly carrying a heavy load. Nowt really wrong with that. If he wants to play the health & safety card then so can you. Ask a colleague to help you carry a load. H&S permit that. Secondly ask for trollies, handcarts and hand trucks to be provided. I wouldn't want a back injury for the sake of this tyrant. I've had to undergo manual handling training and have had to stick to the rules by way of lifting weights.
He's probably an insecure bully who seems to think he can talk down to you all the time. But you have rights. Read your contract to find out what it says in relation to grievance procedures, harassment and bullying together with your working hours and pay rate and so on.
His threats to sack you over proper adherence to health & safety in relation to manual handling is IMHO bang out of order. You're walking slowly carrying a heavy load. Nowt really wrong with that. If he wants to play the health & safety card then so can you. Ask a colleague to help you carry a load. H&S permit that. Secondly ask for trollies, handcarts and hand trucks to be provided. I wouldn't want a back injury for the sake of this tyrant. I've had to undergo manual handling training and have had to stick to the rules by way of lifting weights.
He's probably an insecure bully who seems to think he can talk down to you all the time. But you have rights. Read your contract to find out what it says in relation to grievance procedures, harassment and bullying together with your working hours and pay rate and so on.
Edited by Langweilig on Friday 1st August 22:03
assuming this would be a company with a name similar to the way they trade ie hellfrauds? if so i totally understand. i worked for them for about 4 yrs as an audio specialist and duty manager. when they were sold by Boots to CVC or whoever it was, i forget now, then the management were $hite. I handed my notice in and was talked out of it on the promise of management position and pay rise. i turned down a job in engineering which would have doubled my wage in 5 years. to their credit, i got the money they offered, but the management place never materialised. i ended up leaving after they employed some numpty as a manager who had a degree in arts or something but knew nothing about retail. i was doing his job while he collected the money. my advice is leave, find something else and ignore anyone who works for them if they wear a suit!
Negative Creep said:
From a legal view if he had fired someone for leaving stock in he wrong place, surely that would be unfair dismissal? Could you legally dock someone pay for perceived slowness?
Depends. For a full-time employee then no you cannot just fire someone. You do really have to give the relevant verbal and written warnings before sacking someone. However, it depends if this is considered gross misconduct, however, I think it would be a stretch to call it that. So no, BUT if you are part-time then the conditions will vary and you will need some information from an solicitor on this.Negative Creep said:
Just to top it off, my employer has withdrawn double time for bank holidays and now treat it as a normal working day, which means if you're on the rota you have to work it.
I am sure there are some relevant directives about this and working hours. A bank holiday is considered to be holiday and to take it away will involve a change to your terms and conditions. A standard employee cannot simply have their terms and conditions of employment changed without agreement and you could of course elect to stay on what it was - however, this does depend on how the company is putting this and what the other changes are. Again, things are different for part-time employees and you might find that this is 'fair game'.However, since this is a pretty big company, I would be tempted to have a quick word with HR about this. Behaviour like this is unprofessional, unreasonable and borderline unacceptible. Maybe they are within the letter of the law, but not necessarily the intent though. I am not recommending a course of action, but I would have a chat with the local CAB and just check if you are worried.
I am a big believer of building a company based on success - no tyrany. You grow a company because you are successful, not because you can screw your employees on their contracts..... some businesses are good and some are bad.....
Negative Creep said:
Next, he demanded the TV, which plays a 10 second looped commercial, be turned up so loud it could be heard throughout the store, which led to several customers complaining it was too loud to even talk over.
This moron lives in a world of flipcharts, death by powerpoint, character building and marketing consultancy brainwashing. He obviously doesn't know that you should VALUE your customers, not pi them off. off_again said:
Negative Creep said:
Just to top it off, my employer has withdrawn double time for bank holidays and now treat it as a normal working day, which means if you're on the rota you have to work it.
I am sure there are some relevant directives about this and working hours. A bank holiday is considered to be holiday and to take it away will involve a change to your terms and conditions. A standard employee cannot simply have their terms and conditions of employment changed without agreement and you could of course elect to stay on what it was - however, this does depend on how the company is putting this and what the other changes are. Again, things are different for part-time employees and you might find that this is 'fair game'.As for why I'm there, I have an interest in cars (obviously) and do enjoy working around them. I know it's not forever either as I'll be off to New Zealand next autumn so am raising money for that. On a financial level, the trade card is actually very helpful for parts and tools.
I do agree that some of the people employed by this 'always ready to go' firm are beyond useless and know nothing about cars. In the last couple of weeks I've been asked by staff if all spark plugs are the same and if we sell anything you can use to hold water. But then if said company treats people badly on minimum wage, then this is what you'll get
If you're not being rewarded for effort or appreciated for what you do then go for low level industrial sabotage, not enough to get you in trouble, but enough to affect results. Works a treat until you find somthing better.
The odd lost sale, broken down machine, dissapointed customer, phone not answered or missed deadline all fks managment up the arse and puts a smile on your face every dreary day you work for peanuts and are treated like st.
The odd lost sale, broken down machine, dissapointed customer, phone not answered or missed deadline all f
ks managment up the arse and puts a smile on your face every dreary day you work for peanuts and are treated like st.Take one. Did you hear him say it, or did the manager say he said it? One way of uniting staff is to create a common enemy or a big bad wolf to blame.
Second take: perhaps he was putting the fear of god in people about their jobs to get a few to jump ship and save him the payments for the redundancies he needs to make in three months if trade doesn't pick up?
Take three, you dreamt it all and have just woken up from your slumber amongst the cardboard boxes in the stock room.
Second take: perhaps he was putting the fear of god in people about their jobs to get a few to jump ship and save him the payments for the redundancies he needs to make in three months if trade doesn't pick up?
Take three, you dreamt it all and have just woken up from your slumber amongst the cardboard boxes in the stock room.
Jaguar steve said:
If you're not being rewarded for effort or appreciated for what you do then go for low level industrial sabotage, not enough to get you in trouble, but enough to affect results. Works a treat until you find somthing better.
The odd lost sale, broken down machine, dissapointed customer, phone not answered or missed deadline all fks managment up the arse and puts a smile on your face every dreary day you work for peanuts and are treated like st.
Not really necessary. Play the health & safety game. Like I said, get them to spend a lot of money on trucks, carts & trollies and go to the expense of hiring a consultant to instruct all staff in manual handling techniques. A half day course at least.The odd lost sale, broken down machine, dissapointed customer, phone not answered or missed deadline all f
ks managment up the arse and puts a smile on your face every dreary day you work for peanuts and are treated like st.[quote=Negative CreepI had no choice but to sign a contract agreeing with it so am screwed.
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Not strictly true, all you need to do is return the unsigned contract, together with a letter stating that you do not accept the terms and conditions stated within the new contract, and will remain working to the previously agreed contract.
The other thing that many people do not realise, is that you can remove clauses from a contract which you do not like, for example, if you generally agree with the contract, except the clause which states you will let the boss sleep with your girlfriend, you can simply cross this out, sign next to it, and sign the contract.
In either of these two cases it is then up to the company to come to you, and negotiate the contract.
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Not strictly true, all you need to do is return the unsigned contract, together with a letter stating that you do not accept the terms and conditions stated within the new contract, and will remain working to the previously agreed contract.
The other thing that many people do not realise, is that you can remove clauses from a contract which you do not like, for example, if you generally agree with the contract, except the clause which states you will let the boss sleep with your girlfriend, you can simply cross this out, sign next to it, and sign the contract.
In either of these two cases it is then up to the company to come to you, and negotiate the contract.
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