Legal Advice needed.
Discussion
Ok on friday i received a letter from the council saying they want a £75 for dropping litter (cig butt) from my car. Now the reg number on the letter is different to the one on the car. Not massively different they've just written a D down instead of a O. Where abouts do i stand on this?
Jasandjules said:
To clarify, your plate has something different to that on the form? BUT, the council obviously got the CORRECT plate from the DVLA to get the letter to your address?
They must have done but due to the reg being wrong on the letter i want them to prove it was me and not the reg on the letter if you catch my drift. If they had tracked down the reg on the letter they would have wrongly got the fine.
I do smoke and i do use my ashtray, the reason i said Cig butts is because thats all i can think would have come out of my car as it definitely wouldn't have been anything else. I doubt very much that i did throw a butt out of the window but i have a letter so i must have done something, although the reg is different and therefore throws doubt into the equation does it not?
AndyKH said:
I do smoke and i do use my ashtray, the reason i said Cig butts is because thats all i can think would have come out of my car as it definitely wouldn't have been anything else. I doubt very much that i did throw a butt out of the window but i have a letter so i must have done something, although the reg is different and therefore throws doubt into the equation does it not?
Come on fess up. No one can say they only use the ash tray and then said it can only be a cig butt. You know you did it. Pay the fine and help pay for your horrible mess to be cleaned up
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 4th August 08:54
I despise the habit of smokers dropping butts anywhere and everywhere. I have no problem with "butt droppers" being fined. It's about time that the practice was "stamped on".
However, if you honestly cannot remember whether you were driving the car that day and whether you dropped the butt out the window, you may have a case. Does anyone else drive your car? Does the council have any other evidence besides just a picture of the car?
If so, you could plead "The Hamilton Defence" i.e. yes, someone in the car dropped a butt out the window but I can't for the life of me remember if it was me or some other driver.
Many of these prosecutions depend on the accused "self incriminating" themselves.
However, if you honestly cannot remember whether you were driving the car that day and whether you dropped the butt out the window, you may have a case. Does anyone else drive your car? Does the council have any other evidence besides just a picture of the car?
If so, you could plead "The Hamilton Defence" i.e. yes, someone in the car dropped a butt out the window but I can't for the life of me remember if it was me or some other driver.
Many of these prosecutions depend on the accused "self incriminating" themselves.
Andy - you are ignoring the multiple posts that point out that the reg IS NOT WRONG!
Sure, in the letter it is wrong - a typo.
But for them to have your name and address they would have to have your correct reg, otherwise they would be sending the letter to someone else (the guy with the reg in your letter).
Allow me to spell it out:
They saw someone drop some litter from your car.
They took the reg.
They looked it up.
They wrote to the registered keeper - you.
They typoed the reg in the letter.
For all the other posters on here whinging about cigarette buts, grow up.
£75 is a lot of money. There are far better things for the council to be doing - they are just chasing people in cars since they are easy to catch as they have a helpful bar code/id badge on the back.
I am not pro-littering I am just anti hassling the motorist because he is exceptionally easy prey.
Sure, in the letter it is wrong - a typo.
But for them to have your name and address they would have to have your correct reg, otherwise they would be sending the letter to someone else (the guy with the reg in your letter).
Allow me to spell it out:
They saw someone drop some litter from your car.
They took the reg.
They looked it up.
They wrote to the registered keeper - you.
They typoed the reg in the letter.
For all the other posters on here whinging about cigarette buts, grow up.
£75 is a lot of money. There are far better things for the council to be doing - they are just chasing people in cars since they are easy to catch as they have a helpful bar code/id badge on the back.
I am not pro-littering I am just anti hassling the motorist because he is exceptionally easy prey.
walm said:
For all the other posters on here whinging about cigarette buts, grow up.
£75 is a lot of money. There are far better things for the council to be doing - they are just chasing people in cars since they are easy to catch as they have a helpful bar code/id badge on the back.
I am not pro-littering I am just anti hassling the motorist because he is exceptionally easy prey.
B£75 is a lot of money. There are far better things for the council to be doing - they are just chasing people in cars since they are easy to catch as they have a helpful bar code/id badge on the back.
I am not pro-littering I am just anti hassling the motorist because he is exceptionally easy prey.
ks - what gives anyone the right to dump their rubbish on the floor, it drives my nuts when people do this, it's totally inconsiderate, shows a complete lack of respect for basic social standards and makes our streets look like a junk yard.The vast majority of people don't just dump things out of cars, or as they walk along the street, but smokers seem to think it is totally acceptable. Good on the council for actually enforcing some of these laws, it's about time people realised that it isn't acceptable to be so totally selfish
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